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Gertz Says Russians Did Remove Weapons
The Washington Times ^ | 10/28/04 | Bill Gertz

Posted on 10/28/2004 7:29:47 PM PDT by tomahawk

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To: FairOpinion
Suppose Russia couldn't come out openly then, and even now, to admit that they supported us, and Bush is protecting them, by not coming out and saying that's where the WMD went, because we would have to reveal things which would hurt our War on Terror.

Bingo. I think this is the answer. Bush and Putin are doing something in cahoots and they know what they are doing.

61 posted on 10/28/2004 10:58:05 PM PDT by MarMema (Sharon is my hero)
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To: TapTheSource

He said tonight docs link Russia to the explosives.

It isn't just this Straw character.


62 posted on 10/28/2004 10:58:05 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: Destro

Read his story tonight. Docs point to Russian involvement.


63 posted on 10/28/2004 10:58:52 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (BYPASS FORCED WEB REGISTRATION! **** http://www.bugmenot.com ****)
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To: FairOpinion; GarySpFc; Mount Athos
maybe Putin is really on our side, he is just our mole in the Axis of Weasels.

Yet another thought I have considered.

64 posted on 10/28/2004 10:59:34 PM PDT by MarMema (Sharon is my hero)
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To: streetpreacher

"Suppose Vladmir Putin is really Santa Claus and wants to give us all candy like so many FReepers seem to believe."

Streetpreacher, I think you might be on to something. However, these aren't children we're dealing with...I'm under the distinct impression we are dealing with some of Putin's elves.


65 posted on 10/28/2004 11:01:40 PM PDT by TapTheSource
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To: TapTheSource; Destro
Are you Russian?

ROFL!!!

Not everyone who thinks differently than you is Russian.

66 posted on 10/28/2004 11:02:07 PM PDT by MarMema (Sharon is my hero)
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To: MarMema

"Not everyone who thinks differently than you is Russian."

Are you Russian?


67 posted on 10/28/2004 11:14:46 PM PDT by TapTheSource
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To: Destro; tomahawk; TapTheSource; oceanview; FairOpinion
8 “Missing Weapons? Blame the Russians”
  The Washington Dispatch
  by Shane Cory
  October 28, 2004

OMG, THIS IS HOT!

In an exclusive article published in The Washington Dispatch today, Shane Cory blows Bill Gertz's story, about Russian complicity in "Qaqaa-gate", clean out of the water! Bases-loaded home run for Shane Cory!

Only one problem...

LOL, there is no "Washington Dispatch"! That website is a fiction created by, run by, written by and "staffed" by, Shane Cory, in order to lend an air of "journalistic credibility" to his anti-Bush, Libertarian, whacko diatribes.

When not pretending to be a reporter, Shane Cory is actually the webmaster for the Libertarian Party national website and a staff member of the LP national office. You remember the Libertarian Party, don't you? That's the party so craven that they would rather bend over for the islamo-fascists, than stand up and fight for America.

You've been had, pal.
(And that's giving you the benefit of the doubt.)

--Boot Hill

68 posted on 10/28/2004 11:40:40 PM PDT by Boot Hill (Candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo, candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo!!!)
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To: Destro

Okay, okay. You've obviously mastered the ad hominem attack. Do you ever dabble in logic? If so, may we see some of it eminate from you?


69 posted on 10/28/2004 11:51:08 PM PDT by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Vote Kerry: The Space Needle is an eyesore anyway.)
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To: Boot Hill
Loved your post. :')
George W. Bush will be reelected by a margin of at least ten per cent

70 posted on 10/29/2004 12:05:44 AM PDT by SunkenCiv ("All I have seen teaches me trust the Creator for all I have not seen." -- Emerson)
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To: notkerry

Isn't Bulgaria a member of the Coalition ?


71 posted on 10/29/2004 5:53:24 AM PDT by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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To: MarMema

Where is Occam's razor when you need it ?


72 posted on 10/29/2004 5:55:35 AM PDT by Atlantic Friend (Cursum Perficio)
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To: TapTheSource
One's ancestry is irrelevant to this matter. Along with France and Germany, Russia was up to its neck in deals with the Iraqi regime before the Allied invasion of 2003. Russia and France had the lion's share of the oil contracts in the UN's oil for food program. Cooperation between Russian and Iraqi intelligence and military dates back to the days of Brezhnev. There were numerous reports of Russian military advisers in Iraq after the Gulf War of 1991, including up until a few days before the Allied invasion.

If the Russian special forces (Spetznaz) moved the 380 tons of munitions to a safe place such as Syria, we can rest assured that this was not low tech, conventional stuff. It was probably the weapons of mass destruction that President Bush and Prime Minister Blair proclaimed were held by Saddam Hussein. Gertz needs to fill out his story and the Bush administration needs to give him 100% cooperation. If the Bush White House fears offending Russia, they may find themselves, after January 20, 2005, in a position where they won't have to worry about such matters for at least four years.

If there were WMDs in Iraq and the Russians helped hide them, these facts vindicate Bush's decision to go to war. If the case is strong, all the conservative talkers, the Internet news sites on our side, Fox, the Rupert Murdoch and Conrad Black media groups, etc., need to get the information out prominently and immediately.

73 posted on 10/29/2004 6:21:39 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: Boot Hill
Libertarians are the enemy now? And you would take the word of a newspaper published by the Moonie cult - who think Rev. Moon is Jesus Christ - over a Libertarian publication? Lastly, you went into a diatribe - yet could not disprove one word the editorial said about Gertz's one and only named source for this story - "Earlier this year Shaw was reportedly involved in a controversy involving the former Iraqi golden boy and now criminal, Ahmed Chalabi. The scandal involved the awarding of cell phone contracts to three companies with close ties to Chalibi. According to the L.A. Times, he was put under investigation by the FBI."

Is that how credible you can get?

74 posted on 10/29/2004 6:49:58 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: TapTheSource; MarMema

"Are you Russian?"

Are you a troll TTS ? Sure you are...


75 posted on 10/29/2004 7:03:46 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: tomahawk
The Soviet Union and all its bloc states always had a standard operating procedure for deep sixing weapons of mass destruction — in Romanian it was codenamed "Sarindar, meaning "emergency exit."

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=10111

76 posted on 10/29/2004 7:39:59 AM PDT by Fenris6 (3 Purple Hearts in 4 months w/o missing a day of work? He's either John Rambo or a Fraud)
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To: rodguy911
"At best the Russians are just jealous of us, at worst they would still like to bury us. The truth is probably somewhere in between, I will never trust those bastards."

One thing many Americans confuse about Russia is the mindset behind the former Soviet government and the general population. It was indeed a nation ruled by iron fist, a nation where the common person was told what to believe, and most of them did so out of necessity or survival. But keep in mind, the people of Russia were largely "led" or downright brainwashed by the government.

The society was so closed, the people didn't know truth from fiction. They knew little truths about Americans or the outside world.

I urge you to understand that it was the Soviet government that was evil, not the Russian mill worker, teacher, or mechanic. I can assure you those people today have little or no negative feelings toward the people of America. I have lived there and experienced common life there. Have you?

If you care to hate the bastards in the Russian government, be my guest, I have no quarrel with that. But please try not to paint the entire Russian population as though they were evil. In fact, they have more in common with Americans than perhaps any place short of Great Britain. My personal feeling is that Russians are MORE similar to Americans than the peoples from Great Britain.

Have a great day!

77 posted on 10/29/2004 7:41:31 AM PDT by mikhailovich
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To: TapTheSource

=== I think this story is being put out by patriotic American intel. officials who are sick of Russia getting away with undermining American interests.


too little too late, if that's the case.


78 posted on 10/29/2004 7:56:21 AM PDT by Askel5 († Cooperatio voluntaria ad suicidium est legi morali contraria. †)
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To: mikhailovich

"The society was so closed, the people didn't know truth from fiction. They knew little truths about Americans or the outside world. "


This is the key, I do not see many who are coming out of darkness searching for light, I keep hearing, hey we are capitalists now, we are just like you or better.

Big misconception is that communism is the opposite of capitalism because it is not. Our own liberals love to make their $$$$ off capitalism and pretend they are the 'gods' that created it.


79 posted on 10/29/2004 8:02:36 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: mlocher

I don't know if the story is plausable. But I do recall some democratic senators blurting out to the media, right before multiparty talks with N.Korea, that Russia intel had been working with the CIA to put up rad detectors all over N.Korea in secret. So possible. If the story is true and theory is also, then the Left is selling out US intel once again for votes.


80 posted on 10/29/2004 8:16:34 AM PDT by jb6 (Truth = Christ)
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