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Blue states buzz over secession
Washington Times ^ | 11/09/04 | Joseph Curl

Posted on 11/08/2004 11:00:51 PM PST by kattracks

Secession, which didn't work very well when it was tried once before, is suddenly red hot in the blue states. In certain precincts, anyway.
     One popular map circulating on the Internet shows the 19 blue states won by Sen. John Kerry — Washington, Oregon, California, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois, Maryland and the Northeastern states — conjoined with Canada to form the "United States of Canada." The 31 red states carried by Mr. Bush are depicted as a separate nation dubbed "Jesusland." The idea isn't just a joke; one top Democrat says, "The segment of the country that pays for the federal government is now being governed by the people who don't pay for the federal government."
     "Some would say, 'Oh, poor Alabama. It's cut off from the wealth infusion that it gets from New York and California,' " said Lawrence O'Donnell, a veteran Democratic insider and now senior political analyst at MSNBC. "But the more this political condition goes on at the presidential level of the red and blue states, the more you're testing the inclination of the blue states to say, 'So what?' "
     Mr. O'Donnell raised the subject of secession on "The McLaughlin Group" during the weekend. "Ninety percent of the red states are welfare-client states of the federal government," said Mr. O'Donnell, who was an aide to Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan.


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To: HamiltonJay
Suddenly NOW the libs are worryied about creating a welfare dependency class?

LOL! Apparently you have to be a liberal and vote Democrat to qualify for welfare according to their idea of "means testing".

If the libs really feel this way, why don't they run candidates who oppose the Federal Welfare State? Let the Blue states keep their tax money in their own states, as well as keeping their big government regulations and mandates to themselves as well.

It's all about State's Rights.

141 posted on 11/09/2004 2:49:37 PM PST by CrosscutSaw (God is sovereign -- Jesus is Lord.)
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To: Dan Evans
Without Democrats this country will prosper like it never has before.

Possibly. But the country has done so well so far that it wouldn't pay to tamper with things. If our states or regions ever do decide to separate, there may be so much bad blood that it would take a generation to sort things out.

If we do split up we may find ourselves wondering why we did. For if it's a peaceful, amicable divorce the different parts may come to resemble each other, and if it's messy and bitter, we may come to ask if it wouldn't have been better to live with each other.

America has a certain weight in the world because of its size, and I can't help thinking that splitting up would mean losing that power and sooner or later falling under someone else's influence.

142 posted on 11/09/2004 4:39:59 PM PST by x
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To: kattracks
"The segment of the country that pays for the federal government is now being governed by the people who don't pay for the federal government."

Actually, they are right. Just not how they think. Our nation is in a dangerous situation right now. There are more Americans who don't pay taxes but reap benefits than there are Americans who do pay taxes. There is no incentive for the non-producers to:

The Founding Fathers limited voting rights to property owners. The evil genie is out of the bottle now, with no probability of returning. But there must be some way of ridding the nation of those who would bleed it dry.

143 posted on 11/09/2004 4:47:10 PM PST by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: kattracks
Laurarry O'Douchebag is a freaking woman...
144 posted on 11/09/2004 4:49:27 PM PST by ApesForEvolution ("We trust [RINO-BORKING-ABORTER] Sen. Arlen spRectum's word" - "IF spRectum gets the Chair, IF")
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To: Crazieman
I vote we cut them off from food and manufactured goods.

Source: 1997 AGRICULTURAL ATLAS OF THE UNITED STATES

-PJ

145 posted on 11/09/2004 4:56:50 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's still not safe to vote Democrat.)
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To: kattracks

Let'em go! Let them find out what France and Germany are discovering right now: socialism doesn't work!


146 posted on 11/09/2004 5:00:07 PM PST by ABG(anybody but Gore) (Stop Arlen Spector Now!)
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To: kattracks

The democrats tried this once before and Republicans stopped them. Do they want theirs slaves back as well.


147 posted on 11/09/2004 5:00:13 PM PST by Modok
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To: DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet

I think Wisconsin was stolen, too, truth be known.



Michigan too.


148 posted on 11/09/2004 5:07:18 PM PST by RepublicanHippy
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To: Modok

Does this mean we get to start shootin Dems again?!


149 posted on 11/09/2004 5:09:30 PM PST by Wristpin (Bloggers, forget your silly whim. It doesn't fit the plan!!)
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To: kattracks

Let the blue states go. I'll gladly move to Ohio or Alaska or Florida. In 5 or 6 years their populations will have dwindled from starvation and internal strife. Then we can walk right in and repopulate the blue states. Make a brand new start of it. Jim


150 posted on 11/09/2004 5:16:35 PM PST by jimfrommaine
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To: Wristpin

I doubt President Bush will allow them to be successful.


151 posted on 11/09/2004 5:29:36 PM PST by Modok
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To: kattracks

"I have but one sentiment now. That is we have a Government, and laws and a flag and they must all be sustained. There are but two parties now, Traitors & Patriots and I want hereafter to be ranked with the latter."

- U.S. Grant, 1861

It says as much now as it did back then.


152 posted on 11/09/2004 6:58:25 PM PST by Sam The Eagle
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To: kattracks

ohpleaseohpleaseohpleaseohplease!


153 posted on 11/09/2004 7:42:36 PM PST by Teacher317
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To: kattracks

It's funny to hear them call certain states "welfare-clients". Dems are suddenly concerned about people they don't like receiving money they were forced to pay in?? Could it be that they're finally seeing the light?

I saw a chart a year ago that listed the states according to how much federal spending they receive in return for tax dollars sent in, and it's funny how the states that tend to vote Dem overall receive less in spending than they pay in, while the states that tend to vote GOP overall receive more.

Here's a map that shows it:

http://www.taxpayfedil.org/images/fedspend.gif

I remember the chart I first saw (can't find it now) listed my state NJ as number 49. The map shows we receive 65 cents for every dollar we send to the Fed. Yet the dummies here vote for big-spending higher-tax Dems again and again.


154 posted on 11/09/2004 8:21:36 PM PST by Tired of Taxes (and growing increasingly weary of this screenname, too.)
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To: Hermann the Cherusker
"It really irks me that my neighborhood and my ward are more conservative and Republican than any suburban area within at least 5-10 miles."

Yes I can understand your dismay. Our local (Schwenksville, Pa.) suburbs have been slowly moving away from the Republican party for the last 20 or so years. Montgomery County used to be very strongly conservative. Judging by all the Kerry/Edwards yard signs I see in this area this downward trend is continuing.

Why do people put political signs on their lawns? I feel that they don't change a single vote. All it seems to do is alienate the folks that don't agree with their political views. I for one can never look upon the Kerry supporters in the same light as in the past. I considered many of these people as friends, however it appears this election has made people hostile towards one another. This sign thing doesn't make any sense to my wife and I.
155 posted on 11/09/2004 11:17:45 PM PST by Rabble (John sKerry: Betraying America and it's Military for 33 Years...)
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To: Conservomax
NEVER going to happen.

Strong agreement here.

156 posted on 11/09/2004 11:39:30 PM PST by risk
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To: kattracks

Bah, this is just the blowhards filling the room with hot air. No one here in MN is talking secession, and I live in Minneapolis which is "heart of the beast" territory.


157 posted on 11/10/2004 2:49:20 AM PST by Zeroisanumber
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To: AxelPaulsenJr

Easy for you to say, you don't own property in the blue spots.


158 posted on 11/10/2004 5:14:08 AM PST by Conservomax (There are no solutions, only trade-offs.)
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To: risk

We should divide it up blue county by red county.


159 posted on 11/10/2004 5:18:34 AM PST by factmart
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To: Crazieman

Thats their point, they are saying that the blue states are
paying for the red states to get food, etc.
Has anyone seen this purple state thing the press is trying to
push now?
They are trying to not DIVIDE the country because of the red has more states than the blue.
So we take blue and red and come out with purple.
But their point is not an artsy craftsy how to mix colors, its symbolic that there are blues in reds and reds in blues.
Reminds me sort of the terror alert colors people complain about. So whats with colors as an issue now good grief when will it end.
Thank goodness I learned primary colors in school LOL.;)


160 posted on 11/10/2004 5:29:36 AM PST by stopem
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