[Zavien Doombringer]

Here's a better Photo

[hattend]

How does a Viking landing in 1400's re-write the history of a country that wasn't yet in existence?

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks blam. The weird thing to me is that resistance to the idea of precolumbian navigation still rears its ugly head here in the 21st century.

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[GoforBroke]

Here is a summary of a recent book that studies the map and such.

Seaver, Kirsten A.
Maps, Myths, and Men: The Story of the Vinland Map.
Stanford Univ. 2004.
c.462p. illus. bibliog. index.
ISBN 0-8047-4962-0. $65;
pap. ISBN 0-8047-4963-9. $24.95. HIST

Seaver, an independent historian and fellow of the Royal Geographical Society in London, has traveled the globe in her quest to ascertain the authenticity of the Vinland Map in Yale University's Beinecke Library. The map has been published with a companion manuscript in R.A. Skelton and others' The Vinland Map and the Tartar Relation (1965; new ed., 1995). After introducing readers to the Norse colonies in Iceland and Greenland as well as contemporary reports of voyages west to North America, Seaver begins a detailed and scholarly study of the controversy surrounding the map, including its uncertain provenance, the position of its worm holes, the chemical composition of its ink, the nature of its parchment, and its relationship to the accompanying manuscript. Seaver concludes that the manuscript is genuine but that the map is a modern fake created on cleaned parchment from the manuscript. In the final and most interesting chapter, the author explores the life and career of her candidate for the map's creator, Father Josef Fischer, S.J. (1858-1944). Most suitable for academic libraries. (Index not seen.)

I have not come to a conclusion to the map yet

[Ptarmigan]

What about Prince Madoc and his people in 560 AD? What about the Ainus who around 10,000 BC?

[Servant of the 9]

There are Titanium Oxides in the ink, and pure Titanium Oxides for use in inks and paints are modern products, but crude Titanium Oxides abound in nature and their presence does not prove the ink or the map to be forgeries.

SO9

[neuron2]

The titanium dioxide was in a thinner line drawn over fainter organic ink lines. Thus there is a possibility that the lines were drawn over again much later because the original ones were fading away. Also, some other maps, thought authentic, do contain titanium dioxide. Finally, there is good evidence that Chinese junks visited North America circa 1421.

[tubebender]

Pure Bull Ship. My late mother told me the first Europeans settled in Cureo Texas before the Natives got out of bed...

[Lijahsbubbe]

Document needs authenticating? Quick, ask Dan Rather!

[Ditter]

Wow! I would love to find a map from 1434 in my attic.

[Cacique]

History ping

[-=Wing_0_Walker=-]

"this document whose authenticity is questioned worldwide" I believe it.