The truth is that we don't need weapons in the workplace...and we all know this. There are too many nuts out there who would go off the deep end if they were given the pink slip at 3pm...and walk out to the car to get their gun to fix a little problem at the office. Weyerhaeuser may have been within their rights to terminate the guy involved here...I would have preferred a 1-month suspension from the workplace...to drive home the point. They didn't need to fire a good worker. The sad part about this story is that if the worker had parked his car outside of company property...just out on a Oklahoma street...then everything would be ok...and none of this would have come up. Private property....even company property....is left up to the rules established by the company. If they demand that you can't drive your RV into the company lot, then its their right to do so.
Sure it's all the fault of the guns, they jump up and shoot people.
"The truth is that we don't need weapons in the workplace...and we all know this"
Just the opposite. I would intentionally arm everyone at the factory! Who then would try to pull anything?
I'd much rather KNOW that anyone could have a gun on them, than to falsely believe that no one has a gun, only to find out I'm dead wrong.
Yours is an absurd post.
The precise reason why nuts target offices, schools and the like instead of police stations, large public places with heavy numbers of cops, military bases and the like is BECAUSE they know or have a belief that people will not be armed.
Weapons are needed in these places as it is WEAPONS which have been used to STOP such attacks. These attacks do NOT stop when no one is armed. INdeed, the victims are sitting ducks and merely wait to be killed. In areas where carry is more frequent, you do not see such attacks. Unfortunately, even in firearm-friendly states, most workplaces have similar bans and thus subject their employees to a state of defenselessness.
Here's a story to reinforce my argument: I was in a gun shop once and asked to see one of the pistols. Being always aware of the safety rules, I slightly turned away so that I might aim in a safe corner of the store. The owner immediately commanded me to turn around. The reason being that I could load an empty weapon with bullets and use it to rob or murder them.
EVeryone in the store was openly carrying. I would have been easy pickins for them had I tried to do violence to them. Not so at most workplaces where the feminization of hte populace is in full force.
Luby's Restaurant is a workplace, no? Or do you just want to take guns from the law-abiding?
You probably wouldn't be too comfortable working for me, everyone carrys, no I am not a cop.
The truth is that this is precisely why one may need a gun in the work place, to defend against the nut. You are a trolling, antigun, anti self defense weenie. While I think of it, you are full of baloney.
I guess what you are saying is...the guy with the 4th degree black-belt can't get a job...eh?
Or maybe you are saying that they should take away the baseball bats from MLB?
Just extrapolating here...........
I guess the fired worker would never think of going home, getting a gun and shooting everyone. Which is what most of them do.
There are too many nuts out there who would go off the deep end if they were given the pink slip at 3pm...and walk out to the car to get their gun to fix a little problem at the office.
I see that did not happen in this case, or with the eleven others that were fired.
You cannot be serious. Who are you or anyone else to determine that I cannot exercise my God given right to protection? You may feel what your "need" is but don't you go telling me what my needs are. I go about armed all day everywhere, except for a few places that the government would put me in jail for.
At work I am armed, have been for many years. Only one person there knows it besides me and she is occasionally armed.
I cannot imagine anyone that is not willing to protect them self.
BS. Your Right to self defense doesn't end when you go to work.
Furthermore, I think you'll find that most of the workplace shootings occur when guns are banned, and only the submissive and honest employees follows the edicts.
Apparently you are on the wrong web site. For someone who is retired military your view of protection is a little skewed. Private property or no, an entity that did not provide a right enumerated in the Constitution of the United States of America, cannot under any circumstances remove, or cause that right to be nullified. Seems like we took an oath to support and defend the document that enumerates the right given to us.
Poor use of propoganda techniques. Very poor.
Your premise is bunk and I reject it totally.
A nutcase won't follow the rules anyway and may come back the next day. I may need to be armed because sure as hell you won't be and then you'll be cowering. At least I'll have options that you won't have.
Those like you enjoy freedoms that those like me help preserve. Someday you'll stop freeloading.
I can tell you are a liberal because you have such a low opinion of people. I bet you can’t name move than two times in the last 50 years where someone was fired and came back with a gun and killed people.
All liberal’s assume the worst of people and make fiction sound like fact.
Cars are PRIVATE property and companies have no business, or schools, or police, have no business going into them without a search warrant. This is a loss of Constitutional freedoms of unreasonable search and seizure.
The GUNS are not the ISSUE, un-Constitutional searching of private property is the issue. Business should not have more rights than the police!
Spoken like a true anti-gun liberal!
Apparently you have never worked shift work where you get off at one or two in the morning and have to drive through some of the worst parts of town [warehouses and docks] and then drive forty or fifty miles in a rural environment get out of your car in the dark and walk into a house that is dark where someone who had patterned your movements could be waiting.
A lot of these people are women who live alone. That is why most of them carry a weapon in their car.
It's for protection on the way home in case of a breakdown or walking in on a burglary or whatever when they get home.
In my state the state law considers the car an extension of the individuals home.
The private property rights of the company should not override the private property rights of the individual.
If the company above wants control over the contents of the vehicle the employee uses to get to work then the employee should provide and assume the responsibility for the employees safe transportation.
No, we don't all "know this". Policies like this aren't going to stop someone who is hell bent on committing an illegal act such as murder. If I'm not allowed to carry my pistol at work to protect myself then I've always told my family to make sure they sue the pants off said employer if they fail to protect me and I've been prevented from protecting myself!
According to you, then we should also banish ALL knives, pens, box cutters, scissors and anything else that can be used to kill people. These articles too could be considered weapons when used improperly.
Come to think of it, I'm sure a lot of students and faculty at the Appalachian Law School were glad a couple of off duty police officers who were taking classes there had their weapons at the ready back in 2002, when some nut killed a couple of people there.
Matter of fact, I bet a lot of people in Littleton now wish there had been a gun or two on hand to stop the drugged-out morons who shot up Columbine. And I bet a lot of folks at a particular financial trading office in Atlanta wish their co-workers had been armed to stop that day trader who murdered folks after a bad day in the market. And so on and so forth...
The moral of the story is this; there is absolutely nothing you can do to prevent someone from "snapping", going home, grabbing a gun, then coming back to even things up with their supervisor, etc. When you have a bad guy with a gun trying to inflict harm on others, those situations end only when good guys show up with more guns. Someone mentioned Luby's (Killeen, TX) earlier...Dr. Suzanne Gratia sure wished she'd been able to carry her .38 inside the restaurant back in October of 1991. She had a clear shot at George Henard's back, seconds before he turned in her direction and gunned down her parents. She reached for her pistol, then remembered she'd left it in her car before she came in. It seems 'Rat Governor Ann Richards had changed the concealed carry laws in Texas, and Dr. Gratia decided she'd better go unarmed. Her parents died, as did 20 other patrons. I sure bet that Luby's manager wished his employees were armed, and the other diners wished Dr. Gratia had been allowed to continue carrying her pistol concealed.
The easy thing to do is side with those weak kneed ninnies who think guns are eeeeeevil, and should be banned. It takes some brain power and most of all, guts, to do your research, mull it over, form an opinion based on truth, logic and common sense, then defend your opinion. It's so much easier to go with the herd and argue your emotions.
Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!
Additionally, as long as the weapon is in one's vehicle, there should be LESS than no problem. Weyerhaeuser in now on my boycot list. Act stupid, suffer consequences. Dixie chicks, Target stores.....the list goes on.
Oh? While you're at it, could you list all the other places that we all know we don't need weapons?
It would make my life a lot easier, because I could just stay in all those places, and I'd never have to worry about self-defense.