Posted on 11/27/2004 12:42:07 PM PST by neverdem
That was my first thought on reading it.
Lack of responsibility......
I'm barfing at the posts about how this man was so misunderstood.
If we can't "understand" these people, then LOCK the borders.
Case closed.
This is about murder, not some clash of cultures. This guy has been here long enough to have a new culture if he wanted one. Viet Nam was a long time ago, and this just makes me sick to my stomach.
Just for the record: During the month of October I was called every name in the book.
Why? Because I am a highly visable Republican activist in a Blue County.
Letters to the Editor in my local paper called me every name in the book that can be printed in a newspaper and talk shows were full of vitrol about me because I was helping to orchastrate a very competitive political campaign.
The neighborhood grapevine was worse than the newspapers and talk radio programs. Yet, I didn't go out and shoot or kill anyone.
The world has gone nuts.
"Mr. Vang overeacted(me think) and crossed the line..but i wasn't there so its all speculation"
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- I'd suggest if that is your true analysis that you get out of the USA fast or you will not survive.
- Vang is not a "hunter" - He is an instant serial killer who ran away to avoid the consequences after he shot unarmed innocent civilians.
- An innocent man would have contacted law enforcement.
- I guess the unarmed girl he brutally shot and killed hurt his wittle feelings.
- Like it or not you and your Hmong friend's trepassing and poaching and scoff-law habits is now topped off with this savage sub-human's bloody massacre with no conscience or remorse evident at all.
- It reminds one of Islamic terrorists.
- You comment brands you as an enabler and sympathesizer and unworthy of any trust.
Stay out of the forests and get out of America if that post of yours is as nutty as we read it to be.
I carry two (2) large caliber Colts beside my rifles when I hunt in the forests and even in the city.
I don't call 911 or for help.
I don't wait for anyone to point a weapon at me.
I'd leave you for the bears afterwards.
I know the police in St Paul are having problems with Hmong gangs.
This is about murder, not some clash of cultures.
Bingo! we have a winner.
No, it's about MASS Murder AND a Clash of Cultures. Where Vang was born there is NO formalized set of laws, with legal enforcement that defines and protects Private Property. The Hmongs notions of private property is that property which can be taken, by force by the strongest.
Liberals never seem to understand the depth and persistence of culture. Vang, in particular, has been shown to be very much an old country traditionalist despite his years in America. Moreover, our PC government and media only encourage such immigrants to have an open contempt of Our Laws, Our Customs, Our Culture. And with millions of 3rd world immigrants pouring into America every year--legal and illegal--you can forget about the assimilation of these immigrant groups into the America Way. In fact the reverse is what's happening...we are being forced to assimilate to them.
The most common number, IMHO, is 20 rounds or a little less. The reason is that a standard box of ammo is 20 rounds, so it is an easy packet to carry. Often is is a little less because a few rounds have been fired to sight in the gun, or during a previous deer season.
I always liked to carry a box of ammo because there are times when you need more than just two or three rounds. You may shoot at a running deer and expend several rounds, you might want to head shoot a rabbit for camp meat, you may have an opportunity to shoot a porcupine that has been chewing up your hunting shack, someone else may have only brought a couple of rounds and needs to borrow a couple, etc.
Many seasons, though, I have not shot a single round or only one or two. Some people just load up their rifle and not carry any extra rounds.
For all their differences, the native Wisconsin residents and the Asian immigrants from St. Paul share a love of hunting. For generations of Wisconsin families, the deer season has come to mean a time to bond with friends, to wander the woods and to pass along life's secrets to the next generation.
For the Hmong, hunting is one of the rare realms in which America's fast-paced culture meshes neatly with their old ways from Laos, and Hmong elders have come to use it as a chance to share at least one rural cultural tradition with the youngest among them, some of whom never saw the hills of Laos.
I wonder if this author read my "Wisconsin Shooting Area Background". With these paragraphs, they are certainly echoing much of what I said.
Thanks...I was just curious. Our guys shoot on a couple of privately owned properties so I thought thier amount of ammo carried may differ. My daughters boyfriend is always running hunters off his land and out of thier tree stands, so I worry even more now.
Glad you are here billly. I am looking forward to the information you can add from a hmong perspective.
Yes, it is all speculation. I don't find it hard to believe that he was or was not called names. Like, you, I was not there. Still, I think that "overeacted" seems kind of mild for shooting 9 people, only one of which had a gun, with no indication so far that any of them tried to pursue him.
We will get more information over time, and I am looking forward to your input.
Thanks again for posting and for letting us know your background.
They don't? You mean there are no homicidal maniacs in the country that go off the deep end at the slightest provocation? Or no provocation? No serial killers that pick and choose victims at random for murder?
It's a rather bizarre statement to make. In a fit of rage, whether warranted or not, a person with a high proclivity towards violence is not going to review their life circumstances, weigh the pros and cons of the consequences of taking violent action then judiciously go on a mad killing spree. And from the known news on Vang, he most certainly fits the profile of a guy that has a predisposition towards senseless murder.
The shootings took place around noon. Unless "driving" deer from a swamp or such where they have gone to ground, most Wisconsin deer hunting is done from stands at dawn or dusk. Most hunters take a break for a noon lunch and many return to a permanent camp or shack for this. It is considered good etiquette to unload you rifle and case it when not actually hunting. Thus the one person returning to the camp was still armed while everyone else had stored their firearms as a safety precaution. When the call came for help, they responded thinking an accident had occurred. The result was innocents running into a slaughter.
My general sense of this is that Vang had been ejected from this land several times in previous years and he may have been seeking vengeance. There is also anecdotal evidence which links him to a similar shooting in 2001. It may prove to be that Mr. Vang was hunting hunters rather than deer.
It would be interesting if the DNR could back check their records to see how many tags this "avid" hunter has filled since he began hunting in Wisconsin. It would also be interesting to see who logged the tag numbers just preceding or following his since there have been consistent reports that he hunts with two other Hmong men. That could explain how he got the "drop" on eight other hunters.
Regards,
GtG
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