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A Hunt Turns Tragic, and Two Cultures Collide
NY Times ^ | November 28, 2004 | STEPHEN KINZER and MONICA DAVEY

Posted on 11/27/2004 12:42:07 PM PST by neverdem

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To: AD from SpringBay
Yea, I live here in Wisconsin and trust me,.......we are NOT talking about Hmongs and their culture...we are talking about a ...

MURDERER, who was on someone else's land!

41 posted on 11/27/2004 2:18:05 PM PST by irish guard
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To: Petruchio

You're far braver than I am then....loaded gun and I ask you nicely to leave, not sit there screaming taunts.


42 posted on 11/27/2004 2:20:19 PM PST by AirForceMom (The purpose of life is to fight maturity)
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To: AirForceMom

I asked this in another thread and don't think it was answered by you hunters out there.
How many rounds on average does a hunter take with him/her into the woods?
I asked the hunters in my family and the answer was 3-5 rounds. This guy shot 20 rounds and said he tossed the rest into a swamp. Is 20+ rounds excessive?


43 posted on 11/27/2004 2:28:09 PM PST by AirForceMom (The purpose of life is to fight maturity)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker

Is the accused a recent convert to Islam?


44 posted on 11/27/2004 2:32:31 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

I haven't heard, but all these third worlders are the same in my book. Islam will eventually act as the rallying point for all the 'disenfranchised'.


45 posted on 11/27/2004 2:38:37 PM PST by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: OldFriend

Wonder what culture is represented by shooting people in the back?

--the one John Kerry is from. He can shoot an enemy in the back, but a Marine in Fallujah needs to be more careful.


46 posted on 11/27/2004 2:40:42 PM PST by Another Thought
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To: neverdem

What I'm curious about is why none of the hunters tried to shoot the murdering SOB......if I were hunting and anyone tried shooting my buddies, he would be a dead man! Sorry, better to be tried by 12 than carried by six!


47 posted on 11/27/2004 2:40:44 PM PST by missanne (Go to work, write letters to the editor!)
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To: missanne

I think one did shoot back, the only one with a gun, and he was shot first.


48 posted on 11/27/2004 2:44:21 PM PST by AirForceMom (The purpose of life is to fight maturity)
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To: AirForceMom
How many rounds on average does a hunter take with him/her into the woods?

It's usually enough to fill the weapon's magazine, plus one round in the chamber, about 5 - 8 rounds, depending on state hunting regulations and the magazine capacity. I could see someone carrying a whole box of cartridges, 20 rifle rounds usually, so that the box is there at the end of the day when the weapon is unloaded.

49 posted on 11/27/2004 2:44:25 PM PST by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: neverdem

So more than 20 would be excessive? I wonder how many rounds he threw away.


50 posted on 11/27/2004 2:46:24 PM PST by AirForceMom (The purpose of life is to fight maturity)
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To: neverdem

The truth lies somewhere between the stories from both sides. It was a sad day indeed. Lord, I hope the gun control crazies stay out of the fray.


51 posted on 11/27/2004 2:47:43 PM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: AirForceMom

Well, I'm glad to hear somebody tried to get him! Seems like you better be taking a fully loaded concealed handgun out in the deer woods, along with your rifle!


52 posted on 11/27/2004 2:47:52 PM PST by missanne (Go to work, write letters to the editor!)
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To: Petruchio

I read on another thread that Vang was trespassing on this same property last year, and the year before. Frankly, if someone trespassed on my hunting land 3 years in a row, I would most likely use a whole bunch of descriptive language directed at him, his heritage, and his intimate relationships with dead farm animals. (Hmong other things)
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Oh, come on, you selfish meanie. The poor, victimized man just wanted a place to hunt!!! He can't afford to buy land in this mean-spirited, capitalistic country. :)


53 posted on 11/27/2004 2:48:09 PM PST by Another Thought
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To: missanne

What I'm curious about is why none of the hunters tried to shoot the murdering SOB
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They were unarmed, from the accounts I heard. Only one had a gun.


54 posted on 11/27/2004 2:50:18 PM PST by Another Thought
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To: AirForceMom
Depends on the person(experienced marksman/hunter or not), place(Low-Highlands; close-by or way out), game(bag limits) and weather(survival factor). ie; It's subject to the objective.

Being in familiar territory while being somewhat experienced and with no weather changes forecast for days and not in a camp setting would make 20 plus rounds more than needed but, in my run on humble opinion, subject to whatever burden you are willing to carry.

55 posted on 11/27/2004 2:51:01 PM PST by Dust in the Wind (I've got peace like a river . . .)
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To: Dust in the Wind

I am just curious as to how many rounds he tossed and why.


56 posted on 11/27/2004 2:54:57 PM PST by AirForceMom (The purpose of life is to fight maturity)
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To: neverdem
The two gatherings, less than 200 miles apart, seemed to be separated by whole worlds.

They should be separated by whole worlds, and if not for liberal experiments in social engineering they would be.

57 posted on 11/27/2004 2:56:14 PM PST by spodefly (I've posted nothing but BTTT over 1000 times!!!)
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To: AirForceMom

Well. . .It's subject to what objective he really had, don't you think?


58 posted on 11/27/2004 2:57:31 PM PST by Dust in the Wind (I've got peace like a river . . .)
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To: AirForceMom

Not really. My first rule is no trespasser shall retain posession of a firearm, period. The trespasser can claim his weapon from the Sheriff upon providing proof of ownership.


59 posted on 11/27/2004 3:02:42 PM PST by Petruchio (<===Looks Sexy in a flightsuit . . . Looks Silly in a french maid outfit)
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To: Altamira

Very true --- imagine if everyone of Polish descent was entitled to shoot and kill a half dozen people every time they were called "pollacks" or whites could kill every time they were called "gringos" or "anglos" or "honkies". This is the height of political correctness ---- to try to justify cold blooded murder because evil Americans aren't welcoming other cultures.


60 posted on 11/27/2004 3:05:32 PM PST by FITZ
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