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Breaking: High Rise Fire Chicago 12/06/04
12/06/04 | GRRRRR

Posted on 12/06/2004 5:15:28 PM PST by GRRRRR

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To: edmond246

Floor-to-ceiling flames coming out of the window.


361 posted on 12/06/2004 8:20:24 PM PST by budman_2001
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To: edmond246

There is a lot of plastic stuff in offices that can do that. Desk tops, in baskets, etc.


362 posted on 12/06/2004 8:20:30 PM PST by Petruchio (<===Looks Sexy in a flightsuit . . . Looks Silly in a french maid outfit)
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To: Jackrabbit Slim

What happens when "mayday" called?


363 posted on 12/06/2004 8:20:42 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: TBall
To the guy with the hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Just my two cents - I suppose some evidence of terrorism may turn up, but as it stands now it looks like accidental origin - possibly of electrical origin. The news reported that some people heard a loud bang or explosion just before they smelled smoke. That could have been a transformer or some other sort of electrical equipment, or it could have been a panel shorting out. I would be interested to know if there was an equipment/utility room on 29.

Neither thermite nor gasoline would start as a slow smoldering fire and spread at this relatively slow rate. You almost always find multiple origin points in "incendiary origin" (which is what "arson" is called in the trade), and it usually burns very hot from the beginning. I would have expected a much bigger "flash" to start with if this were incendiary.

364 posted on 12/06/2004 8:20:45 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: edmond246
You also have to remember that there are computers in every office on that floor - Plastic, wires, cords, etc...

From this laywoman's eyes I can't imagine how they are going to get this under control. As I stated earlier I just hope the structure remains sound. They call this the LaSalle Canyon and I can't imagine the damage to surrounding structures (not to mention the human toll) should this structure fail.

Many prayers for those injured, and those fighting the fire right now.
365 posted on 12/06/2004 8:21:22 PM PST by LibertyRocks
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To: edmond246
what would be burning like that inside the building?

Carpet, furniture, paper, plastics, etc. If the floor was used for storage, there could be thousands of boxes full of paper which will burn for hours.

366 posted on 12/06/2004 8:23:29 PM PST by COEXERJ145
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To: mhking

Got it now. Thanks!

Click under the camera on the story.

http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_341202525.html


367 posted on 12/06/2004 8:23:32 PM PST by bonfire
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To: edmond246
what would be burning like that inside the building?

Carpet, underlayment, furniture, other fixtures have a lot of plastic in them. It burns smoky and then very hot.

368 posted on 12/06/2004 8:23:38 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: AnAmericanMother

I'm sure you are right.


369 posted on 12/06/2004 8:23:44 PM PST by TBall
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To: stratocaster

At least she's safe, that's a good thing.

Channel 2 reporting now people stuck on the 39th floor. They can't be having fun up there with the smoke going up the stairwells and everything else in that building.

Fire Dept. setting up to stop the fire on the 32nd floor now. 31 has no water pressure, 30 is on fire. At a minimum 31 is going to burn.

32 has our Personnel Department in it, and I know a bunch of those people. I hope they got out.


370 posted on 12/06/2004 8:24:30 PM PST by usconservative ((This space intentionally left blank. Do not deface.))
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To: AnAmericanMother

bttt


371 posted on 12/06/2004 8:25:44 PM PST by prairiebreeze (It's my right to publically celebrate Christmas and state my faith in Christ. At least for now.....)
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To: CindyDawg

Mayday is called when they are really up the creek, I would surmise it is just like officer down, All hands on Deck go up there to kick butt and get the firefighters out as quickly as possible


372 posted on 12/06/2004 8:25:58 PM PST by Jackrabbit Slim
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To: FMS5

"A sprinkler system is a separate system from the standpipe system."

OK, thanks for the info...I always thought that the outside connections boosted the sprinkler system, but I have not been a city boy for over 30 years :)


373 posted on 12/06/2004 8:26:49 PM PST by AlexW
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To: TBall
Well, I sure hope I'm right.

And I hope they get this thing under control soon. The more floors this involves, the greater the chance of collapse.

Bad news: old building, rabbit warren, hard to get equipment through.

Good news: old building, overengineered structure, so better chance the frame will survive even extreme heat.

374 posted on 12/06/2004 8:27:18 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: mhking

Keep on posting updates for those of us who are firewall impaired.

Night shift sucks.


375 posted on 12/06/2004 8:27:30 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (Liberalism: The irrational fear of self reliance.)
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To: Jackrabbit Slim

Would they request help from the fire departments in the suburbs?


376 posted on 12/06/2004 8:29:14 PM PST by BlessedBeGod (George W. Bush -- The Terror of the Terrorists)
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To: usconservative

Prayers for the people on 39.


377 posted on 12/06/2004 8:29:55 PM PST by BlessedBeGod (George W. Bush -- The Terror of the Terrorists)
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To: BlessedBeGod
Would they request help from the fire departments in the suburbs? 10 have already responded and are on-site. A company from Round Lake Beach (30+ miles from the city) is also responding. I don't think they have a handle on just how serious this fire is at the moment. The number of places in that old building fire can be hiding and waiting to break-out due to all the construction/reconstruction over the years is almost immeasurable.
378 posted on 12/06/2004 8:30:59 PM PST by usconservative ((This space intentionally left blank. Do not deface.))
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To: mhking

Had a bit of trouble with the feed initially. Working fine now. Thanks for the link.


379 posted on 12/06/2004 8:31:20 PM PST by NautiNurse
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To: AnAmericanMother

Has the building been evacuated, or are there people trapped inside?

Praying for anyone still inside and the firefighters.


380 posted on 12/06/2004 8:31:31 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic changes have consequences.)
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