Man Gets 18 Months For Beating Puppy To Death

MaineToday.com ^ | 12/08/04 | Alan Crowell

[Bella_Bru]

Of course, we cannot hate both abortion and animal cruelty, right?

[Americanwolf]

neither do I but I also am not someone that would do something like this... these are not laws to help us live our lives, but laws to punish those who choose not to live in the bounds of normal society.

[tiamat]

oldblackjoe wrote:



This has absolutely nothing to do with abortion, Einsteins.

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THANK YOU!

[af_vet_1981]

The prosecutor is right. People who treat animals like this will inevitably treat a human being like this given a motive and the opportunity.

Why not give them capital punishment now since they "will inevitably treat a human being like this gieven a motive and the opportunity?"

[ScottM1968]

Our laws must be as consistent as possible. If not, they are exploited and stretched to cover circumstance well-beyond what was meant or desired.

I know people here eat meat and therefore want animals killed. But the reasoning given by yourself and others has no limit. Your pest is another pet. Your steak is another's dead relative (think India).

That we are still eating meat is not a testament to the laws keeping us free to eat meat as it is that they've not been pressed far enough.

Case in point: Throughout time, homosexuals have not been allowed legal marriage. However, there was nothing prohibiting it save for common sense. So now we have a situation that has a life of its own and people are demanding an amendment to stop it all.

You must follow your argument to its logical limit. And you must have a logical way to combat another's position. Keeping animals as property is the only way to assure a gay-marriage-like problem won't occur with some nutball judge in the future. It will be a slow progression, but it is already happening with thoughts such as with those on this thread.

The Bible states that the intentional killing of one's animal requires monetary payment. Why can that not be enough?

[Skooz]

Well, unlike the PETA dipsticks, most rational people can differentiate between killing an animal for food and killing one for peeing on the floor.

Correct. Sophistocated thinkers understand the difference.

Sophisticated thinkers also understand the difference between an animal and an inanimate object.

Those who cannot are really not intelligent enough to debate.

[Melas]

Yes, animals are property. However, we have laws that say you cannot treat this property cruelly. Deal with it. It's the law, and don't hold your breath waiting for any of us to enable the likes of you to change it.

My argument is the only rational answer.

A little megalomania going on here? Do you hear organ music when you type?

[ScottM1968]

And that is called "murder" because you'd be killing a person.

That is much worse than the death of an animal from any cause. And society (and God) will hold you accountable for that.

[Skooz]

Oops. Sophistocated = sophisticated. My glasses really need to be cleaned.

[najida]

Why can that not be enough?

Because we believe differently. That is why we are having a logical discussion of why we have come to our beliefs, which are very, VERY different from yours.

Welcome to true conservatism sweetie pie.

[Bella_Bru]

The Bible also says you can stone disobedient children and enslave people. Which can we do to you?

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

The guy would have gotten less time for rape or robbery.

This is not even a remotely coherent "argument," on your part, in defense of a lessened sentence for the sociopath in question. (The only genuine "point," it advances, however inadvertently, is the pressing need to increase prison sentences for robbers and rapists; a premise with which none here have, or would, argue,)

It's a sick sick sick world that criminalizes puppy killing and legalizes baby killing.

False (and intellectually specious) "either/or" straw man, already long since discredited and set aflame, earlier in this thread. Go back and re-read, please.

[Americanwolfsbrother]

Because when we give animals "people-like" status, we have totally opened the door to true animal rights.

Why do you keep holding onto this statement? Who in this discussion has given animals "people-like status"? What the hell is "people-like status" anyways. Does that apply to computers, plants, our favorite shirt? What folks here are trying to tell you (though you can't seem to see it through your vegetarian fearing eyes) is we love our pets and can see the difference between a pet and a pest/problem. Anyone who would kill their pet is just as dangerous to other members of society as they are to their own pets. If you kill something you supposedly love for "fun" or out of frustration how should the rest of us in society feel when you don't even know us. It will take even less effort for you to kill us then the dog since you have zero emotional attachment to us. ScottM1968 I think you need to slow down a little and review your stance. You might want to check and make sure your prescription is current as well. Good Luck.

[ScottM1968]

Both animals are property.

[Rightwing Conspiratr1]

Sorry your quote does not reference animals at all. It's a reference to slavery which is not immoral in the sight of God. The Bible is NOT an egalitarian political tract. Speaking of which, George W.Bush should be roundly chastised by Christian conservatives for his "God wants people to be free" heresy.

[najida]

My argument is the only rational answer.
A little megalomania going on here? Do you hear organ music when you type?

he he he! great one!

YOU VIL COMPLY! YOU VIL BE ASSIMLIATED! ;)

[ScottM1968]

Well stated.

[exnavychick]

Boy, I really hope that you aren't implying that:

1) I cannot differentiate between a human and an animal. If so, perhaps you should read my other posts on this thread.

or

2) That because I don't agree with your views, that that means that I am stupid, and unworthy of debate. If you don't have differing views, you don't have a debate, you've got a mutual admiration society.

[KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle]

A little megalomania going on here? Do you hear organ music when you type?

What's your home mailing address, please? I want to make certain you receive this itemized bill for my new monitor screen and keyboard. :)

[Skooz]

No no no no no no......I was agreeing with you.

Re-read my post. :0)