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Wanted: Israeli neocons
Jerusalem Post ^ | 12-16-04 | CAROLINE GLICK

Posted on 12/17/2004 4:48:52 AM PST by SJackson

Israel's passivity in the face of Palestinian corruption, authoritarianism and hate indicates that what Israel needs most desperately is for a movement of Israeli neoconservatives to arise and "take control" of Israel's foreign policy.

Speaking at the Interdisciplinary Center's Herzliya Conference on Monday, IDF Chief of General Staff Lt.-Gen. Moshe Ya'alon said that Israel's "interest is to separate the general Palestinian population from those involved in terrorism." This, of course, stands at the core of all anti-guerrilla and counterterror operational thinking.

Ya'alon noted the economic devastation that the Palestinian terror war has wrought on the general Palestinian population. Repeated suicide attacks at the Erez Industrial Park, where some 4,000 Gazans worked each day to support some 35,000 people, forced Israel to close the park. This week's attack against an IDF outpost on the border between Gaza and Egypt forced the army to close the border-crossing terminal, preventing Gazans from conducting business in Egypt. Suicide bombers disguised as ordinary workers have forced Israel to stringently limit the number of Palestinians working in Israel and to erect roadblocks throughout Judea and Samaria.

Israel has, over the past four years, and indeed since the first Palestinian suicide bomber introduced himself to Israeli civilians back in 1994, tried to develop methods of screening cargo and workers that would make Palestinian economic activity possible while preventing the infiltration of human bombs. Additionally, as Ya'alon noted, Israel has worked to ensure that the health and education systems in Judea, Samaria and Gaza have continued to operate. This, in spite of the fact that terrorists have hidden in maternity and cancer wards from Bethlehem to Jenin and that the Palestinian school system teaches children that their life goal should be to become a suicide bomber.

Yet, in spite of all of Israel's attempts to separate the broader Palestinian population from the terrorists, Ya'alon admitted that support for the terrorists had not waned, nor had enthusiasm for terrorism in general. In his words, IDF counterterror operations over the past two years "have decreased the ability, not the motivation" of Palestinians to carry out attacks against Israelis.

And so it can be said that the IDF, and Israel as a whole, have failed in the mission of separating the general Palestinian population from those involved in terrorism.

How can this be the case? After all, Israel's leaders have never declared war on the Palestinians. To the contrary, every time it seemed there was a break in the clouds, Israel moved quickly to embrace any opportunity to begin discussions with Palestinian officials – whether at the political level or among the various official Palestinian militia commanders.

An answer to this seeming paradox was provided by The Jerusalem Post's Khaled Abu Toameh in a dispatch from Gaza earlier in the week. Toameh reported the case of Dr. Hassan Nurani, a psychologist from Gaza City who wished to run for the PA's presidency. Nurani composed a platform calling for the building of a "civilized and moral society." He was able to collect the requisite 5,000 signatures to submit his candidacy but couldn't afford the $3000 needed to register for the election. Desperate to run, Nurani tried selling off his small parcel of land and his home furnishings. But he still wasn't able to raise the sum, which is the rough equivalent of an annual salary in Gaza.

It is possible that Dr. Nurani supports terrorism. It is possible that he is not willing to live in a Palestinian society which exists alongside a strong and vibrant Jewish state. It is possible that he insists that Israel allow millions of foreign-born Arabs to immigrate freely into Israel as a condition for peace. But we'll never know, because he is too poor to tell us.

And then we have the frontrunner for the Palestinian presidency, new PLO head Mahmoud Abbas. He's the only show in town. It doesn't seem to bother anyone that Yasser Arafat's deputy of 40 years has refused to call for an end to the Palestinian terror war, saying just Wednesday in Saudi Arabia that he didn't mean to offend anyone when he said the day before that violence against Israel is counterproductive.

"All I meant," Abbas explained, "is that we are in a phase that does not necessitate arms because we want to negotiate." And in the meantime, he decried Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom's call earlier in the day for the international community to build permanent housing for the millions of Arabs, whose ancestors may have once lived in Israel, who have been interned in UN refugee camps in the Arab world for the past 55 years. "Any proposal regarding the resettlement of the refugees is completely rejected," Abbas, the soon-to-be-democratically elected Palestinian leader, said.

Shalom's call for the rehabilitation of the residents of the UN refugee camps was given in the course of his address to the Herzliya Conference. Aside from daring to raise the possibility of letting these poor people finally be free of the burden of living their lives as political symbols, his speech was actually wholly supportive of the combative, rejectionist Abbas.

Shalom devoted much of his address to calling for the convention of a second Aqaba summit with US President George W. Bush, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Abbas right after the January 9 elections. In his words: "The lead actors from the first Aqaba summit, which took place in June 2003 – Sharon, Bush and Abu Mazen [Abbas] – are the same actors today, but stronger."

So, in the run-up to the Palestinian election, which is supposed to be the first step toward the liberalization and democratization of Palestinian society, the presumptive winner – who stands opposed to any action against terror operatives or compromise on the so-called refugees that would enable peace to be achieved – is embraced as a positive development, a window of opportunity and a foregone conclusion.

In an interview with the Post's Ruthie Blum appearing today, Palestinian apologist extraordinaire Hanan Ashrawi assailed Bush for adopting "the neocon agenda" in calling for the transformation of Palestinian society from a terror-supporting and -engendering society into a peaceful democratic one before the establishment of a Palestinian state. In her words, "You don't use democracy for justifying the existence of states. You would then have to remove many states. Self-determination for Palestinians is a right that has to be implemented as a way of bringing peace and stability to the region. Therefore, you don't make a state dependent on its system of government."

And Ashrawi isn't alone. In his speech at the conference on Tuesday, Labor party leader and soon-to-be acting prime minister Shimon Peres assailed the notion that democratic reform is a necessary condition for peaceful relations.

Indeed, the very thought that Palestinian society must be democratized meets its staunchest opposition from Israeli elites. In his column in Yediot Ahronot last Friday, Nahum Barnea, Israel's journalistic supremo and proud socialist, wrote scathingly of Bush's attachment to the notions of democracy and morality. Speaking of Bush's reading of Minister-without-Portfolio Natan Sharansky's book, The Case for Democracy, which argues that peaceful relations are contingent on individual freedom and democracy, Barnea sneered, "The book publisher can now advertise it as 'the only book the president has read in the last 10 years.'" He then went on to witheringly criticize Sharansky's book, describing it as "clear, easily digestible, unburdened by doubt, moralistic, very positive and totally simplistic."

Israel's elitists, like Barnea and Peres, and their sheep-like followers like Shalom, no doubt took comfort in the obnoxious responses evinced toward the Bush administration's policy doctrine of bringing democracy to the Arab world during last Saturday's conference on the topic in Rabat, Morocco. There, US Secretary of State Colin Powell was barraged by angry statements from the Egyptian, Saudi and Libyan foreign ministers, who claimed that the US can't talk about democracy until "the peace process" goes forward and US occupation of Iraq comes to an end.

Even German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer, the champion of the Israeli Left, said that progress toward peace between Israel and the Palestinians "will lend all reform and modernization efforts in the Arab world unprecedented momentum."

It isn't surprising that the same people who demonize their political opposition in Israel as warmongering extremists and potential political assassins would have such a low opinion of the possibility that Arabs might, if given the opportunity, choose to live freely and at peace with Israel and the rest of their neighbors.

And yet, as The Washington Post's editorialist noted on Wednesday, even as the Arab potentates were berating the Americans for daring to discuss democracy with them, Arab human rights activists who also participated in the conference insisted that the Americans continue to pressure their governments and that "Palestinian and Iraqi issues should not be used as excuses for not launching reforms."

And what did these people want? They demanded that their governments "allow free ownership of media institutions and sources; allow freedom of expression and especially freedom of assembly and meetings; ensure women's rights and remove all forms of inequality and discrimination against women in the Arab world; and immediately release reformers, human rights activists and political prisoners."

The American neoconservatives, who have been the most visible proponents of democracy in the Arab world and who Barnea, echoing Ashrawi, alleges "control the foreign policy of the Bush administration," have often been accused of working for Israel. Yet, as our elites' revulsion with democracy and our government's silence on the issue shows, American democracy advocates have almost no one to talk to in Israel. Indeed, Israel's passivity in the face of Palestinian corruption, authoritarianism and hate indicates that what Israel needs most desperately is for a movement of Israeli neoconservatives to arise and "take control" of Israel's foreign policy.


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To: Poohbah
Newbies who show up and spout liberal crap are easily spotted.

Was that in your capacity of Archbishop of Titipu, First Commissioner of Police, or Lord Chief Justice?

Where did I say anything which is 'liberal'? (I'm asuming American usage here, rather than English - at times in English terms I am a liberal, but never in American terms.)
41 posted on 12/17/2004 10:33:07 AM PST by PiersGaveston (Poker anyone?)
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To: PiersGaveston

Why don't you answer the question instead of side-stepping it?
Do you think it is okay for the so-called Palestinains to blow themselves up in pizza parlors full of teenage Israeli GIRLS?


42 posted on 12/17/2004 10:33:18 AM PST by Darksheare ("His heart went dead underneath her gaze" - The Book of Foreshadowed Sorrows.)
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To: ariamne

I also noticed that he's now trying darn hard not to say anything taht would out him for what he really is.
I predict that should he be banned, we'll have someone run across a blog whining about how he was banned and how mean we were to him.


43 posted on 12/17/2004 10:34:47 AM PST by Darksheare ("His heart went dead underneath her gaze" - The Book of Foreshadowed Sorrows.)
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To: PiersGaveston

"Where did I say anything which is 'liberal'?"

Basically in your statements taht preclude Israel having a right to self defense.


44 posted on 12/17/2004 10:35:26 AM PST by Darksheare ("His heart went dead underneath her gaze" - The Book of Foreshadowed Sorrows.)
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To: Darksheare
Why don't you answer the question instead of side-stepping it?

I thought that I had provided a pretty unequivocal answer.

Do you think it is okay for the so-called Palestinains to blow themselves up in pizza parlors full of teenage Israeli GIRLS?

No no no no no no no, not under any circumstances. It is terrorism, terrorism is evil, therefore it is evil.

It that enough. If it is not, please tell me what is enough to convince you that I despise all forms of terrorism, and consider Islamist suicide-bombing to be one of the most nefarious forms of terrorism yet invented.
45 posted on 12/17/2004 10:37:58 AM PST by PiersGaveston (Poker anyone?)
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To: PiersGaveston

"I thought that I had provided a pretty unequivocal answer."

Not after your denunciations of supposedly bulldozing 'straight through' a refuge camp, and claiming that it's Israel being the aggressor.


46 posted on 12/17/2004 10:41:01 AM PST by Darksheare ("His heart went dead underneath her gaze" - The Book of Foreshadowed Sorrows.)
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To: Darksheare
I also noticed that he's now trying darn hard not to say anything taht would out him for what he really is.

What is this mysterious thing that I really am, but am trying hard to hide?

I am not an anti-semite. I do not sit up all night reading the Protocols of the Elders of Zion nor to I believe them to be anything other than a grotesque slanderous forgery.

I despise all forms of terrorism, perhaps most especially suicide-bombing.

I predict that should he be banned, we'll have someone run across a blog whining about how he was banned and how mean we were to him.

You may not like me (which is fine, I couldn't care less whether a fruity-loop such as yourself likes me or not) but at least give me the decency of not being categorised along with those boring sods who come back and post long queenie-fit vanities.

The truth is that you have little idea who I really am, though the answer is very easy to find (and hint hin, it has nothing to do with anti-semitism which I despise along with all other forms of racism).
47 posted on 12/17/2004 10:42:53 AM PST by PiersGaveston (Poker anyone?)
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To: Darksheare

Do you support the driving of bull-dozers indiscriminately through refugee camps, and the consequent destruction of innocent human life?

I oppose that, I oppose suicide bombers.

Any more questions?


48 posted on 12/17/2004 10:44:12 AM PST by PiersGaveston (Poker anyone?)
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To: PiersGaveston

" (and hint hin, it has nothing to do with anti-semitism which I despise along with all other forms of racism)."

Hint hin: You're a troll, and you're tuna trawling/cherry picking for quotes.


49 posted on 12/17/2004 10:45:57 AM PST by Darksheare ("His heart went dead underneath her gaze" - The Book of Foreshadowed Sorrows.)
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To: PiersGaveston

Tell me where a bull dozer drove THROUGH a refuge camp?


50 posted on 12/17/2004 10:46:20 AM PST by Darksheare ("His heart went dead underneath her gaze" - The Book of Foreshadowed Sorrows.)
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To: Darksheare

Now who's sidestepping the question?

I have condemned in clear an unequivocal language terrorism, and the killing of innocents. Do you do the same?


51 posted on 12/17/2004 10:48:13 AM PST by PiersGaveston (Poker anyone?)
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To: Darksheare
You're a troll, and you're tuna trawling/cherry picking for quotes.

Wrong.

You don't get the prize. Unless, of course, you up your game-playing level.
52 posted on 12/17/2004 10:49:05 AM PST by PiersGaveston (Poker anyone?)
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To: PiersGaveston

Tell me WHERE the bulldozer "drove THROUGH" the refuge camp.
Is it so hard to back up your staement on that?


53 posted on 12/17/2004 10:50:35 AM PST by Darksheare ("His heart went dead underneath her gaze" - The Book of Foreshadowed Sorrows.)
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To: PiersGaveston

Oh, you're here to play a game.
So yes, I am correct about you.


54 posted on 12/17/2004 10:51:00 AM PST by Darksheare ("His heart went dead underneath her gaze" - The Book of Foreshadowed Sorrows.)
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To: Darksheare
Oh, you're here to play a game.
So yes, I am correct about you.


Not really, but I see no reason not to have some fun. So you're still wrong.

And silly me for thinking that the answer was quite so obvious.
55 posted on 12/17/2004 10:52:37 AM PST by PiersGaveston (Poker anyone?)
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To: Darksheare

Am I to read into this that you support killing innocents. You read that into my posts which clearly and vehemently denounced such killings, you utterly avoid the question.

Yet again, do you support the killing of innocents?


56 posted on 12/17/2004 10:53:46 AM PST by PiersGaveston (Poker anyone?)
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To: PiersGaveston

Uhh, yeah, the answer IS obvious: You really ARE a troll.


57 posted on 12/17/2004 10:56:34 AM PST by Darksheare ("His heart went dead underneath her gaze" - The Book of Foreshadowed Sorrows.)
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To: PiersGaveston

You support the terror bombings, and have since backpedaled.
When challeneged to prove a bulldozer drove THROUGH a refuge camp, you blovate and sidestep.

The S'Barro pizzaria was the one who got bombed by the way.
It was full of teenage girls.

Now, answer the question about where the bulldozer drove THROUGH the refuge camp, and prove there were deaths caused by it.


58 posted on 12/17/2004 10:58:15 AM PST by Darksheare ("His heart went dead underneath her gaze" - The Book of Foreshadowed Sorrows.)
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To: PiersGaveston
Do you support the driving of bull-dozers indiscriminately through refugee camps, and the consequent destruction of innocent human life?

Nobody is doing that.

I oppose that, I oppose suicide bombers.

How nice and balanced. You oppose something that nobody has done with the same vehemence that you oppose a crime that has been committed frequently and is heartily endorsed by your dear oppressed Islamofascist palenazis.

59 posted on 12/17/2004 11:00:37 AM PST by Alouette (9 kids, 0 abortions, no kidding)
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To: Darksheare
You really ARE a troll.

Golly no, what a ghastly thought. That would place me alongside all of the drugg-ridden hippies who float from DUmmyunderground, and post anti-Bush crap. Yikes, wouldn't want to be associated with such grotesque lefties.

Maybe I'm merely a figment of your imagination, which becomes terribly interesting when I look at your bio-page, and you suggest that you are the figment of my imagination. This could get us into a rather difficult spiral; if you are imagining me, imagining you, imaginging me &c. then ultimately who is imagining and who is real?

Are you SURE that you really wanna think about me?

Not sure, but then if I am a figment of your imagination then I am not free to think, or not think about you.
60 posted on 12/17/2004 11:02:25 AM PST by PiersGaveston (Poker anyone?)
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