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Anti-Semitism?
NRO ^ | December 21, 2004 | William F Buckley, Jr

Posted on 12/21/2004 3:18:18 PM PST by swilhelm73

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To: dervish

101 posted on 12/22/2004 6:14:29 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: af_vet_1981

I appear to be missing your point or you are beating around the bush. What relevance do the number of blacks in Hollywood have to do with this discussion? Let's be explicit -- are you saying there are not many secular Jews in the film industry?

Second before you nit pick me read my whole post of which the point you are attacking plays a quite peripheral role.


102 posted on 12/22/2004 6:21:57 PM PST by dervish (Europe can go to Islam)
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To: dervish
are you saying there are not many secular Jews in the film industry?

What percentage of the 164,000 to 226,000 directly employed in the industry are Jews and what percentage are other groups ?

103 posted on 12/22/2004 6:28:38 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: af_vet_1981
God is hated because He is.. simply God, He is sovereign, He is the boss, the ruler, the judge, He is the beginning and the end, He does as He wills and as He pleases, He created us out of the dust of the Earth and even though He gives us free will He is still in control and sovereign - something that our minds do not seem to understand how they can operate together. He is hated because He chooses one person or group of people over another just because this is what He desires. He offers no explanation for why He loves one over another. He just does. Man who is in rebellion against this sovereign Lord and God - it is God that they hate because of who He is. Israel they hate because they are jealous. Everyone knows and understands that antisemitism is about jealousy. They don't look further into the heart of things and really realize it is the nature of the God of this universe that people really are angry with. Just like Satan, he shakes his fist at God, said He wanted to have a different position, as if things where up for negotiation with the Lord. We were created by Him to worship and glorify Him according to His will. Man instead is always looking inward and asking what is in it for me.
104 posted on 12/22/2004 7:40:59 PM PST by Esther Ruth
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To: SJackson; Alberta's Child; Northern Yankee
But for Donohue, charging Hollywood with being anti-American was by no means specific enough: "Who really cares what Hollywood thinks?" The answer to that question is, roughly — everybody. It is because people care that this question was being raised on TV. “Hollywood is controlled by secular Jews who hate Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular. It’s not a secret, okay? And I’m not afraid to say it. [Donohue is not afraid to say anything.] That's why they hate this movie. It's about Jesus Christ, and it's about truth." What Hollywood likes is "anal sex. They like to see the public square without nativity scenes. I like families. I like children. They like abortions."

I don't think Hollywood is anti-American, but we all knew that the Passion wasn't going to win an Oscar... well, I KNEW. It's simple, really. The Passion goes against everything Hollywood stands for – liberalism, corruption, ungodliness, and selfishness. The Hollywood elite whose goal is to eradicate traditional values, and to devalue all that is wholesome, mainly family and religion, hates the Passion. The Hollywood moguls share the same liberal mentality that is the main cause of God's dismissal from our Schools, colleges, and courts.

Yet, not everyone subscribes to that kind of entertainment. Mel Gibson proved that there is a market for good entertainment, where God and traditional values are welcomed with open arms, and the revenue of such is many times higher than Hollywood's sexual flicks.

105 posted on 12/22/2004 7:43:28 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul

Great post, Victoria.


106 posted on 12/22/2004 8:31:18 PM PST by Alberta's Child (If whiskey was his mistress, his true love was the West . . .)
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To: Alberta's Child

Thanks, but what do you think?


107 posted on 12/22/2004 8:33:10 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul
I agree with you 100%.

I read a great article some years ago about the entertainment industry, and the author made the point that Hollywood entertainers often have a sort of personality disorder that is rooted in their careers. Many of these people spend so much time playing roles in movies that they fear the loss of their own identity -- and they go out and adopt political causes just so that ordinary people will think they have something important to say when they AREN'T on the big screen.

108 posted on 12/22/2004 8:44:02 PM PST by Alberta's Child (If whiskey was his mistress, his true love was the West . . .)
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To: Alberta's Child

I agree. Hollywood has been pushing its own inadequacies and perversions on us.


109 posted on 12/22/2004 8:50:21 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: swilhelm73

What has happened to William F Buckley, Jr over the last 10-15 years?

He sounds like a leftist neoconservative. Has he surrendered to the neocons?


110 posted on 12/22/2004 8:54:42 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: Baraonda

Nope, same guy he always was.


111 posted on 12/22/2004 9:08:11 PM PST by swilhelm73 (Dowd wrote that Kerry was defeated by a "jihad" of Christians...Finally – a jihad liberals oppose!)
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To: swilhelm73

"Nope, same guy he always was."

I remember him as a conservative, but you're telling me he never was a conservative but a leftist neoconservative. I'm confused now.


112 posted on 12/22/2004 9:19:07 PM PST by Baraonda (Demographic is destiny. Don't hire 3rd world illegal aliens nor support businesses that hire them.)
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To: ChicagoHebrew

LOL!!!


113 posted on 12/22/2004 9:20:01 PM PST by Valin (Out Of My Mind; Back In Five Minutes)
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To: SJackson

bttt


114 posted on 12/23/2004 1:58:29 AM PST by lainde
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To: Victoria Delsoul
Mel Gibson proved that there is a market for good entertainment, where God and traditional values are welcomed with open arms, and the revenue of such is many times higher than Hollywood's sexual flicks.

I am curious as to how that change came about.

Clearly Hollywood in its heyday certainly extolled the virtues of America, with the likes of Frank Capra bringing us classics like It's a Wonderful Life, and Mr. Smith Goes To Washington. These movies gave America a sense of self worth, and showed us that old fashioned values were part of Hollywood's production thought process.

We also had actors like Clark Gable, and Jimmy Stewart serving their country with distinction. Ronald Reagan making films that supported the war industry, lifting moral for America.

Was it the beginning of the anti hero films in the 60's that started this trend?

I also think that if Hollywood doesn't change, they will crush under their own weight of irrelevance.

115 posted on 12/23/2004 3:41:56 AM PST by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs A Soldier!)
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To: karenbarinka
Christians need to be re-educated by the likes of Michael Jackson-defending rabbis.

You might want to be careful what you throw around. Last the world knew, your church was filled with Michael Jackson style sickos and bishops covering for them.

116 posted on 12/23/2004 9:28:57 AM PST by Bella_Bru (You're about as funny as a case sensitive search engine.)
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To: karenbarinka
Meanwhile, over in Malibu, Mel counts his millions.....

Wonderful for him!

See we eeeviiiiil Joooos don't have the same issues with money that some other people do.

117 posted on 12/23/2004 9:32:52 AM PST by Bella_Bru (You're about as funny as a case sensitive search engine.)
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To: dervish

Or, maybe Donahue was merely referencing the New York Times -- of their more than 100 stories slandering Mel and Passion, a dozen by Rich and Waxman made quite a point of stressing that Hollywood was ruled by ethnic Jews who were planning to destroy Mel Gibson for daring to make Passion. Quite a number of them threatened Mel -- gutlessly, anonymously, off the record.

The Catholic League has maintained a catalogue of quotations for the past 2 years titled "Maligning Mel Gibson." Michael Medved has consistently stated that while Passion would cause no anti-semitism, the viciousness of these attacks, mostly with Jewish by-lines, would generate untold antipathy toward Jews. The blowback is obvious -- why do you think there have been all these cases of Christians fighting towns and parades and the ACLU to keep the symbols of Christmas in the public square this year -- why did Bill O'Reilly do "Assault Against Christmas" stories for one solid month -- why are people making such a point to loudly say "Merry Christmas"?

Dennis Prager interviewed this rabid rabbi tuesday morning -- Dennis and his producer laughed his anti-semitism claim off by naming all the Jewish heads of major studios and TV networks -- Prager felt that while Donahue wasn't exactly diplomatic, he was merely stating the obvious! A Jewish caller noted Bert Prelutsky's recent columns about how it's no longer possible for Christians to ignore the mostly Jewish named lawyers and donors in the anti-Christian ACLU. A later caller also blew the Coppola, Scorsese crappola out of the water by following the money trail -- did you know the vile Last Temptation of Christ was financed by a guy named Lew Wasserman? I didn't, but it's sad to me that people are now tracing Jewish money to almost all anti-Christian films. Dennis Prager knew all about this because he protested Last Temptation over 15 years ago.

You're repeating nonsense about that Vatican II statement -- nothing in Catholic teaching has ever allowed for anti-semitism -- it was merely a polite restatement of 2000 years of Catholic teaching that while some Jews were involved in Christ's Passion, not all Jews back then and certainly no Jews now could be held responsible. Mel Gibson made quite a point of affirming this in his Diane Sawyer interview. I hope you know that in the Passion readings at Easter, we in the congregation read the words of the crowds shouting 'crucify him' to signify that it was all our sins that nailed Christ to that cross. And, oh yeah, this nonsense about Catholics rejecting the Old Covenant -- every Catholic Mass has a series of Scripture readings which always begin with one from The Old Testament followed by responsorial psalms!

I live in a state that's 3% Catholic vs. 97% evangelical. It's pretty much impossible to avoid evangelical Christian radio around here. While I agree that they breathlessly support the state of Israel, they have no use for the likes of Boteach who offended most Christians by calling them "ignorant peasants" for not agreeing with his revisionist New Testament interpretation that no Jews were involved in the Passion -- if they call to support him, most of the time it's because he or they are bashing Catholics. I have a friend of 30 years who's Jewish -- his family came here 300 years ago -- he laughed about all these Passion related claims of past or future anti-semitism by saying the only religious bigotry he's witnessed in his lifetime have been by evangelicals against Catholics! He also said that if he ever had a problem late at night downtown, the first place he'd run for help was the 24 hour perpetual adoration chapel run by our Catholic parish!

So, I'd really appreciate it if you wouldn't be so quick to repeat exaggerated claims of evil Catholic history from secularists who want to remove Catholic morality from society or from evangelicals who incessantly slander Catholicism in their pulpits, papers, and radio stations. Always consider the source. That's why I no longer trust anyone who slandered Mel or Passion, especially the lying, viciously anti-Catholic Charles Krauthammer.


118 posted on 12/23/2004 9:52:42 AM PST by karenbarinka (Trust no one who slandered Mel or Passion)
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To: Bella_Bru

I'm unaware of any Catholic officials calling press conferences to defend child-molesting priests.

I am quite aware of Rabbi Boteach conducting a media blitz to defend Michael Jackson from his initial child molesting charges -- you know, the case he settled out of court for 20+ million. His full-blooded defense of Michael Jackson all over TV 10 years ago was my first introduction to Rabbi Boteach. Repulsive.

Why he is accepted into civilized society is beyond me, but I've noticed Dennis Prager criticizing him more and more, and Michael Medved has taken to saying things like "we used to be friends," so maybe his 15 minutes of fame is running out.


119 posted on 12/23/2004 10:34:09 AM PST by karenbarinka (Trust no one who slandered Mel or Passion)
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To: karenbarinka
I don't think you understand that rabbis are not viewed in Judaism as priests are in Catholicism. Rabbis are men. They are only held to a higher standard in regards to knowledge of halacha, etc, and that isn't even always true as many Jewish men and women are also extrememly knowledgeable in these areas. The rabbi from my shul and the one from a shul 6 miles away might disagree with each other to the point of not accepting any teachings as valid from each other. Not every rabbi is respected by every Jew. We don't have that sort of attatchment to our teachers (rabbi literally means my teacher).

Boteach is not respected by all Jews or even most Jews. Yet you seem to think he is.

120 posted on 12/23/2004 10:41:42 AM PST by Bella_Bru (You're about as funny as a case sensitive search engine.)
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