Okay so we have agreed on the primacy of the words actually spoken.
Here is the first reference that Mr Donohue made to Jews which started Rabbi Boteach’s protest. I would better describe it as Mr Donohue, not Rabbi Boteach, who took the discussion in that direction.
Who really cares what Hollywood thinks? All these hacks come out there. Hollywood is controlled by secular Jews who hate Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular. It‘s not a secret, OK? And I‘m not afraid to say it. That‘s why they hate this movie. It‘s about Jesus Christ, and it‘s about truth. It‘s about the messiah.
If you read the interview Donohue insisted that the problem was secular Jews not secularity. Everyone else was willing to concede the problem was the secularity of Hollywood.
Rabbi Lapin does not say that the Jews who failed to protest sacrilegious art are Catholic or Christian haters, as Donohue says about Jews controlling Hollywood. Nor does Lapin say that Hollywood and other Jewish objections to “The Passion” are the result of hatred as does Donohue. Lapin simply questions their “moral legitimacy” in protesting anything having to do with religion. There is nothing in what Lapin says that suggests either Jewish “control” or a campaign directed against Catholics which is Donohue's point.
Donohue’s comments about Jews “controlling Hollywood” sounded like an oft used slur. A moment later Buchanan referenced “Neoconservatives,” which for him is usually synonymous with his mantra of supposed Jewish control of US foreign policy, namely by Perle, Wolfowitz and Feith. Taken together one might fairly say the implication is Jewish control on all fronts – left and right, a conventional anti-Semitic conspiracy theory.
I forgot to make this point earlier to tie into my free speech point. Hollywood has said nothing about the death of Theo Van Gogh, the Dutch filmmaker killed by an Islamist. Mr Van Gogh was killed because he made a film showing the atrocious treatment of women under Islam. He was killed specifically as a filmmaker, yet Hollywood is silent. Despicable. But should we infer they are anti-Dutch? Anti-gay (Mr Van Gogh was gay)? Anti-women? I think we can all agree that their silence is due to their strangely, morally bankrupt support of Islamists who I might add are no friends of Jews. As I said earlier there is only one religion sacred to secular Hollywood and that is the “other,” Islam.
Boteach, by the way, was not the only one who did not like Donohue’s comments on Jewish Hollywood, although she spoke softly:
MURTY: A couple of comments about—I‘d like to address Bill‘s comments just quickly about secular Jews.
Let‘s remember, secular Jews built up our film industry and founded most of our Hollywood movie studios and were very patriotic Americans for a long period of time. So I‘m a little—I feel some concern about the comments about secular Jews.
She also repeated Boteach’s citation of “Scorsese and Coppola and Lucas” signaling her belief that this is about secular, not Jewish, Hollywood. Of no particular relevance, I like her.
And I see no reason not to extend the Rabbi's presumed goodwill for American Christians to the modern European variety. European islam is the problem, and they don't need anything Christian to help them hate.
Well here I really do disagree. European Muslims are only one part of the problem. Complicity by governments, the press and the populace who do not object and in fact take part in marches where anti-Semitism is promoted makes the problem much larger than just Muslims. Considering the modern history of Europe, that combination of promotion and blind eye is unacceptable in the face of mounting physical attacks on Jews. The “modern” Europe you refer to is a mere 50 years removed from genocide. Rabbi Lapin’s comments singling out America as different implies that he sees Europe differently too.
Okay so we have agreed on the primacy of the words actually spoken.
That's a rather novel conclusion to make of the previous statement, but it's yours to make. If you are determined to find witches, you will find witches.
Personally, I think you are choking on gnats. My contention is while you remain fixated on the word "Jew," with "secular" as a modifier for Donahue, and the reverse for for the talking heads, in keeping with not arguing the obvious, Donohue's comments make better sense understood in the same way one would understand a soldier saying "we really had trouble with Iraqi armor." Armor, in and of itself, is no particular problem. Having to fight soldiers IN armored units is. I believe it is overly punctilious to look for reasons to criticize someone for neglecting to distinguish between the soldiers and the armor that makes them a problem.
If the secularists weren't wrapping themselves in the mantel of Jewishness, they'd have no pretense of moral standing from which to punish their critics.
I think there's a whole lot less of a chance Donahue secretly wishes to set up a death camp, than I think there is of his critics secretly desiring to set up a gulag for Americans who won't bow the knee to liberalism.
Rabbi Lapin does not say that the Jews who failed to protest sacrilegious art are Catholic or Christian haters, as Donohue says about Jews controlling Hollywood.
This is getting pretty ridiculous.
Would you be happier if I brought you a quote where Rabbi Lapin calls them bigots? I made it clear from the beginning my primary source was "America's Real War," not the linked article. You are not going to make a case based on textual criticism of Lapin's essay. His opinion of secular Jews is laid out quite clearly in his book, and is the basis of my own opinion.
Well here I really do disagree. European Muslims are only one part of the problem. Complicity by governments, the press and the populace who do not object and in fact take part in marches where anti-Semitism is promoted makes the problem much larger than just Muslims. Considering the modern history of Europe, that combination of promotion and blind eye is unacceptable in the face of mounting physical attacks on Jews. The “modern” Europe you refer to is a mere 50 years removed from genocide. Rabbi Lapin’s comments singling out America as different implies that he sees Europe differently too.
Be that as it may, you could make short work of my opinion by citing some European Christian attacks against Jews. I don't fault Jews for worrying over Christian anti-semitism in Europe, I can fault American Christians for imputing it. Jews do have a growing problem in Europe, but whatever part of it can be called "Christian" is vanishingly small.
In fact, if you google the name "Avi Lipkin" you will learn of the efforts of travelling Jewish Israeli speaker whose entire ministry is predicated on the idea strengthening Biblical Christians is Israel's best hope till Messiah comes.