Posted on 12/21/2004 7:59:02 PM PST by postitnews.com
HARRISBURG, PA-The American Civil Liberties Union of Pennsylvania, Americans United for Separation of Church and State and attorneys with Pepper Hamilton LLP filed a federal lawsuit today on behalf of 11 parents who say that presenting "intelligent design" in public school science classrooms violates their religious liberty by promoting particular religious beliefs to their children under the guise of science education.
"Teaching students about religion's role in world history and culture is proper, but disguising a particular religious belief as science is not," said ACLU of Pennsylvania Legal Director Witold Walczak. "Intelligent design is a Trojan Horse for bringing religious creationism back into public school science classes."
The Rev. Barry W. Lynn, Americans United Executive Director, added, "Public schools are not Sunday schools, and we must resist any efforts to make them so. There is an evolving attack under way on sound science...Read More
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Didn't take long! LOL
Oh, Lawd!!! ROFL!
Stay warm, prof. LOLOL!
Merry Christmas, RA, and I hope your winter solstice was everything you wished for!
This simply is not true. Lots of scientists in ALL displines do not support evolution and since the advent of DNA more are doubting. There is no proof for evolution and lots of proof against it. The main evoluionary scientists are liberals and bury their head in the sand, fake evidence and generally try to hide any evidence that doesn't support evolution. The reason evolutionists are afraid of ID is because the fakes, the phony evidence the evidence against evolution will be taugth, they are not taught now. Evolution isn't taught, it is indoctrinated into our children. If ID isn't anything to worry about then why not let it be taught? If it is taught side by side with evoluion THEORY and this theory is correct then most children will see the truth, right? so what is wrong with teaching it? Nothing except it exposes a lot of the lies about evolution. Now I know you think I am a creationists, this is not so. I am not religious, although I went to church when I was a child I haven't been since I was 12. I don't pray and I am not sure I believe in God, but I do know this. When you look at the evidence, and keep an open mind, evolution doesn't stand up. Cambrian layer for one, eyes, wings, not just bird wings but insect wings as well.Feathers, no explaination. No transitional species in the fosil record. No proof at all that life started here with spontaneous generation, no experiment has ever produced even a single cell using the so called primordial soup. It has been proven a mathmatical impossibility for life to have started out of non life. No proof and not all scientists agree with evolution. enough said.
"The evolution debate should be saved for college,"
You said a mouthful. Let's get the basics down first, so young minds learn to read, write, calculate and reason, before we get to the belief systems...t
"Very afraid of slipping back into the Dark Ages of superstition and belief while others build sophisticated weapons with solid scientific knowledge."
That is pure sophistry. Evolutionary theory had no effect on the production of atomic power. Einstein himself could probably be called an ID proponent, to some extent.
The dark ages arguement is nonsense. In fact it is the very kind of arguement Dems use all the time on things like homosexuality, etc.
"What is unacceptable to people in the stage of Concrete Operations (Pater identification) is that we are not the created, chosen children of a God."
You are attacking a straw man.
Oh, they'll keep trying. Fundamentalist Christians (who, it seems, are the ONLY religious sect pushing such things) will use any means possible to get their religion taught in schools, paid for by the government.
I believe they think it gives more "oomph" if they are so "blessed".
...since scientists unanimously agree it is NOT science.
I suppose you wouldn't want to admit to overstating your case just a little, would you? Really, 'every scientist in the life sciences', 'support it 100%', 'unanimously agree'? Dig deeper on that one my friend and you will find lots of scientists support ID - even though the evolutionists have had a strangle hold on the universities for so long that it has been virtually impossible for anyone with a contrary view to advance. But understand that there are lots of scientists that believe in ID. Every hear of Dr Gary Parker? Ever read Darwin on Trial by Phillip Johnson?
Understand too that what has raised the heckles and upped the ante has been the tendency of the evolutionists to refer to their teaching as 'the fact of evolution', not 'the theory of evolution'. However, be that as it may, both evolution and intelligent design have to be accepted on faith as no one can go back thousands, millions or billions of years to see what went on way back then. Here's what I would like - I want to hear the case for why it is necessary to teach either in the schools. Can't science be taught without ever needing to address the issue of 'origins' at least for public and high schools? What really has it got to do with the understanding of the object of the scientific study? Do you think an optometrist is a better or worse optometrist if he/she is trained in and believes in evolution or ID - or doesn't give a gnat's whisker for either? Here's how it works, here's how it relates to the rest of the body, the biology of it, diseases, differences from one eye to the next etc etc - where did it come from? Oh, that's a mystery and we don't need to go there to understand the eye. To follow this example through farther, can you name one solitary benefit that the teaching of evolution brings to the table as far as the advancement of eye care for the general public?
Ban both evolutionary and creation teaching from the public classroom. As a matter of fact, ban public education.
I am impressed. Truly!
"Evolutionary theory had no effect on the production of atomic power"
No, but solid science did. The bomb was not built with religious belief and people's superstitions, but with hard core math.
The comparison is between beliefs ( religion) and facts (science), not between biology and physics.
"You are attacking a straw man."
No, I am pointing to a stage of human mental development with its documented and characteristic ideation.
RIGGHHHHHTTTTT. Do you really think that no one notices from which particular religious background the (overwhelming) majority of IDers come from?
It's those darned string theorist cultist that are causing all the problems! They're a bad bunch, I tell you! A bad bunch!
Thank you for actually admitting what the true goal of the "creationism in the schools" crowd really is.
However, as a parent myself of a child who will be starting school in a few years, I would respectfully ask that you leave his religious instruction to ME, and not the government.
:-) Bet they win!
Merry Christmas, RA, and I hope your winter solstice was everything you wished for!
Merry Christmas back!!! And yes it was a good day. Thank you!
BTW, the winter solstice day was much shorter when I was in Iceland. LOL! (I do miss the auroras)
"However, as a parent myself of a child who will be starting school in a few years, I would respectfully ask that you leave his religious instruction to ME, and not the government."
How DARE you demand your rights?
Exactly true - but there is a problem. What the ACLU wants is only one belief to be taught, not both in a side-by-side nature. And for public institutions, that means my tax dollars go to pay for that one prescribed belief.
I suppose that to tell you that you are quite misinformed as to the theory, its evidence, and its support amongst scientists would be for naught, as you also claim that you "are not a creationist" (which is, coupled with your other statements, pretty amusing, as you repeat almost every one of their common lies).
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