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"I, Breadwinner? - View of Debt from the Left"
The Village Voice ^ | December 21st, 2004 | Peter Duffy

Posted on 12/28/2004 3:03:45 AM PST by Woodworker

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To: LibertarianInExile

What about math and theoretical physics?


61 posted on 12/28/2004 10:36:18 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: mysto

But divorce is most assuredly not "inevitable"!


62 posted on 12/28/2004 10:41:43 PM PST by nopardons
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To: DB
Now if you don't have all those things you're abnormal

Heck, my nephew has all that and he's still in school. :-)

63 posted on 12/28/2004 10:49:44 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Qwinn
In general, it's a sentence of indentured servitude to the man, and an eternal source of funds for the woman.

HorseS**T.

64 posted on 12/28/2004 10:51:49 PM PST by Howlin
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To: nopardons

Somehow they have been badly burned by girls,who they shouldn't have dated,let alone marry and have kids with in the first place.But to hear them tell it,it's ALWAYS the other person's fault.And then,there are the little boys,who've never been married,because they are sooooooooooooooo afraid of what some woman is going to do to them




Your western is showing.


65 posted on 12/28/2004 10:54:03 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell

My what?


66 posted on 12/28/2004 10:55:17 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Qwinn
Are your parents divorced?

Have you ever been married?

Don't you think it's time that you grew up...finally?

67 posted on 12/28/2004 10:57:46 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Your western.

Western (as in cowboy) attitude.

Used in a sentence:

Now, don't go getting western on me.
I'm gonna go western on his butt, that SOB.


68 posted on 12/28/2004 10:58:14 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell
Now THAT is hysterically funny! LOL

A "cowboy attitude"? Moi? giggle,giggle,giggle

But many thanks for the explanation.

69 posted on 12/28/2004 11:13:02 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

I was sitting in a strip joint in a little southern Oregon town one night (don't ask) and one of the patrons got out of hand. The bouncer, who was sitting next to me said, "I'm about to get western." which tickled the hell out of me. When the guy had been knocked silly, the bouncer kinda grabbed him by the collar to lift him. Still shakey on his legs, the bouncer then said to him, "You better cowboy up, son." Then, he tossed him out.

In regards to marriage, as any situation, you need only ask yourself three questions (regardless of whether you are a guy or a gal):

A)Where am I?
B)Why am I here
C)Who is here with me?

Those three questions, if answered honestly, will prevent a lot of potentially bad marriages and save a lot of potentially good ones.


70 posted on 12/28/2004 11:20:09 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: nopardons
But divorce is most assuredly not "inevitable"!
I totally agree... some marriages that end in divorce don't have to. It takes a daily effort to make it work. My wife and I were briefly separated this summer and I thought we were going to get a divorce, but thankfully we worked it out. I think sometimes people just don't try. They don't want to make the effort.
71 posted on 12/28/2004 11:41:01 PM PST by mysto
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To: durasell
That's a wonderful anecdote! Many thanks for telling it.As a most decidedly Eastern gal,you had me a bit discombobulated and then giggling.

Interesting set of questions.They might help some here.But some,I fear,are too filled with propaganda,hubris,and bile to heed them;sadly.

72 posted on 12/28/2004 11:48:35 PM PST by nopardons
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To: mysto
Many people marry for the wrong reasons. Most,nowadays,don't want to work at it,which is childish! Marriage takes hard work,from both parties and in this disposable society,with several generations having been brought up on the moronic instant gratification bilge Dr.Spock spewed,many physical adults remain children.

Good for you and your wife...you both made the effort and it's paid off! I wish you both a long and happy marriage and a life filled with joy. :-)

73 posted on 12/28/2004 11:54:21 PM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

The most important questions you ask yourself should be asked like it's three in the morning.

As a guy -- I can speak with some authority regarding the bitterness of the guys on this thread. They've married the fourth or fifth best looking girl from the high school class (the first through the third either married the son of the car dealership owner or left town). Life naturally doesn't turn out the way it was supposed to. Five years down the road, if the guy is making 10 cents an hour above minimum wage, some younger chick is gonna flirt with him and he's going to start seeing the possibilities of a life without wife. Meanwhile, the wife is a little ticked off about how her life is turning out. So, they start smashing the marriage to bits...


74 posted on 12/28/2004 11:56:46 PM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Rubber_Duckie_27
Rubber_Duckie_27 : Hey you and your hubby really have your heads screwwed on the right way. I hope it all goes as well as you have planned it.

Mel

75 posted on 12/28/2004 11:59:46 PM PST by melsec (No other Name!)
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To: melsec

BUMP...and a joke.

Guy wakes up with a hang-over and sees a glass of orange juice, two aspirin and a vitamin on the nightstand with a note from his wife. The note reads: "Darling, this is fresh squeezed orange juice, just the way you like it, double-strained. There are scrambled eggs and toast warming in the stove. I went out to get you fresh strawberries...Love You!"

The guy goes downstairs and sees his kid. "What happened last night?" he asks the kid. The kid replies, "Dad, you came home really drunk and ran over the neighbor's cat, then smashed the car halfway through the garage door. When you got inside, you threw up, twice, in the livingroom and passed out. And then when mom tried to undress you, you started yelling, 'Lady, please stop! I'm married!'"


76 posted on 12/29/2004 12:10:56 AM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell
YIKES....all of THAT is out of my realm of knowledge and socioeconomic level.What a bleak picture you paint.

But having been married for not quite 38 years (and no,we didn't know each other in high school,nor even in college!),I can tell you how a GREAT marriage works.

77 posted on 12/29/2004 12:14:23 AM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Well, you know, it all stems from people not being honest going into the thing. You get these guys who have no clue as to why they're getting married other than some vague notions about access to sex and it's what "you're supposed to do." Then you have women who bend themselves around like a pretzel to please the guy. Sooner or later, one or both of them wake up. Sometimes they both wake up together, which is always amusing in an extremely dark kind of way.


78 posted on 12/29/2004 12:21:46 AM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: durasell
It's a bit more than that,I think. Today,some people have ridiculous expectations,which they've gotten from T.V. and lack of parental guidance.

For the past 40 years,the old,languishing FREE LOVE MOVEMENT took off,so sex can't really be the reason men marry now.

The "what one is supposed to do"? doesn't work either.Time was,when both were a valid supposition;not now.

Both men and women have been known to NOT be themselves at all,during the courting game.You can't blame that on one sex...especially with all of the metrosexuals and girlymen around now.

Instead,look at what passes for entertainment today. YUCK! In the past,movies were the great "teacher" and through them,many learned how to behave;what was moral,what was mannerly behavior,even what love and marriage was like.fast forward and what do people see today? "SEX AND THE CITY" ,MTV,and moronic "reality" shows,that bring everything down to the gutter.

79 posted on 12/29/2004 12:32:11 AM PST by nopardons
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To: nopardons

I think we are in agreement on all points, except the thing about the old movies being teachers. I believe that as late as the seventies, entertainment was entertainment and the majority of kids were raised by parents, community, etc. etc. Today, MTV and other television shows are raising an increasing number of kids. Popular culture is pervasive today in a way that is wasn't thirty years ago. Add to that the fact that neither parents or schools are providing the most basic education on pop culture. How, for instance, should a kid look at television? And, where does popular culture come from? This should be part of every child's education today -- to prepare them from the onslaught.


80 posted on 12/29/2004 12:44:13 AM PST by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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