Posted on 12/29/2004 4:37:34 AM PST by white trash redneck
The Vatican newspaper has denounced what it called a decision by the IDF to deny emergency help to disaster victims in Sri Lanka.
Calling for "a radical and dramatic change of perspective" among people "too often preoccupied with making war," L'Osservatore Romano singled out Israeli military leaders for declining a request for emergency medical help.
Contrary to the Vatican report, an Israeli plane carrying 80 tons of food and medical supplies worth $100,000 was set to depart for Sri Lanka Wednesday morning. At the request of the Sri Lankan Foreign Ministry, a team of some 150 Israeli medical and security personnel aborted their planned trip to the island nation Tuesday night.
The Vatican paper observed that in what "should be a time for unconditional solidarity," some world leaders seem incapable of escaping a "small-minded approach that restricts their horizons."
The fact that the devastation swept across different societies, cultures, and nations should help to reinforce the universal perspective, the paper suggested. (Jerusalem Post staff and agencies)
I have good news for you.
I follow an adage along similar (but secular in this case) lines...
"If the New York Times is for it, I'm against it."
It hasn't failed me yet.
If Israel is engaging in 'ethnic cleansing', it has done a mighty poor job of it.
But that accusation is about par for the course with your posts. It's all Israel's fault.
Yes, I'm curious about the source too. I'm ready to be enlightened by anyone who can find something to support these allegations, but I suspect the JPost and its readers -- many of them all too ready to be swept up in a Vatican-bashing frenzy -- have been had.
Looking to aljazeera for info on Jews is like looking at david duke's site for info on black folks... lies half truths and hateful propaganda.
Looks like you need this too:
In late October the Zenit news agency ran an interview with Jewish historian Michael Tagliacozzo, head of the Beth Lohame Haghettaot, the Center of Studies on the Shoah and Resistance in Italy. (Beth Lohame Haghettaot in Israel is one of the world’s largest museums and centers of documentation on the Holocaust.)
Throughout interview Tagliacozzo presents historical documentation showing Pius XII did everything within his diplomatic power to protest the Nazi treatment of Jews and ordered members of the Church to protect and hide them from the Germans. Most compelling was Tagliacozzo’s account of his own experience in wartime Rome:
"After the Nazis’ action [of arresting and deporting thousands of Italian Jews on October 16, 1943], the Pontiff, who had already ordered the opening of convents, schools and churches to rescue the persecuted, opened cloistered convents to allow the persecuted to hide. Msgr. Giovanni Butinelli, of the parish of the Transfiguration, told me that the Pontiff had recommended that parish priests be told to shelter Jews.
"I personally know a Jewish family that, after the Nazis’ request for 50 kilos of gold, decided to hide the women and children in a cloistered convent on Via Garibaldi. The nuns said they were happy to take the mother and girl but they could not care for a little boy. However, under the Pope’s order, which dispensed the convent from cloister, they also hid the boy.
"I myself was saved from persecution thanks to the Church’s help. I remember it was October 16, a rainy day. It was a Saturday, the third day of the Jewish feast of Sukkot. I had sought refuge in Bologna Square.
"When the Germans arrived, I was able to escape through a window and I found myself on the street in my pajamas. A family helped me and hid me. I then went to my former Italian teacher who let me stay in her home and asked several priests to find me a safe place.
"Finally, after almost a week, thanks to a recommendation of Fr. Fagiolo, I was hidden in the Lateran. I remember they treated me wonderfully. After not having eaten for two days, Fr. Palazzini gave me a meal with all God’s goods: a bowl of vegetable soup, bread, cheese, fruit. I had never eaten so well."
When asked what he thought of Cornwell’s book, Tagliacozzo replied, "I haven’t read it, but I know that much nonsense is written and, unable to contribute new arguments, they give exaggerated interpretations. I am an historian and I do not look for controversies."
Incidentally, little more than a month before the paperback release of Hitler’s Pope, a new book, Hitler, the War, and the Pope, appeared. Undertaken several years before Cornwell’s book appeared, the new book—by law professor Ronald J. Rychlak—is a meticulous refutation of the "black legend" of Pius XII’s silent complicity with Hitler. It won’t get the press Cornwell’s book did—few in the secular world care about a pope who is holy, even saintly—but it’s an honest, scholarly antidote to the dissembling poison of Cornwell. Look for an article by Rychlak, "Historical Dishonesty: The Lie of Hitler’s Pope," in next month’s issue of This Rock.
I'm not going to take the time to explain why I don't agree with your religious beliefs, so "no thanks" will have to suffice.
Let's not forget that this article also ran in that well-known Zionist moutpiece L'osservatoir Romano (pardon the spelling). If there was any Vatican bashing going on, that's where it started.
You seem to have a thing about Jews.
A "mighty poor job" indeed. Percentage-wise, they have run off far more of the Christians than the muslims. Lacking its most peaceful element, the indigenous communities have more readily embraced radical violence, with tragic results for the Jewish people. A great many innocent lives have been lost. If it had been their intent for this land of Jewish refuge to more dangerous for Jews than any other place on earth, they could not have succeeded any better.
Which article? The distressing one that no one has been able to source? Or the one that scolds Sri Lanka, to which I've linked? I don't know how the OR can be said to have bashed the Vatican or embarassed itself. All I know is that the JPost has chummed the waters with an ugly allegation which so far no one has been able to substantiate, and that the usual sharks have responded.
I don't have a thing about Jews. I do have a thing about truth, however.
Total BS. Muslims have been cruel and domineering to Christians all through history. I suppose you also blame Israeli Jews for running off (decimating really) the Christians of Lebanon.
You despise, deride Israel in your posts. Same kind of person as you in the Vatican is the one who wrote up this erroneous press release. It's amusing to see you defend and deny the Vatican (actually the Vatican official who wrote this press release) having the same kind of anti Israel attitude you do.
And yet those communities survived till our own day. Go figure.
Israel is not responsible for oppression of Christians in Lebannon or Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. But they are responsible for what happens in their own territory and what they control. Is that unreasonable?
I try to have sympathy for the poor and oppressed everywhere. Sometimes it's hard, as most people are not very sympathetic.
And yet those communities survived till our own day. Go figure.
In what manner and in what numbers? The Muslims used them to tax them to death. To exploit them. Ever hear of the Janissaries? In the early 1900s the Greek and Armenian Christians were killed off in Turkey. Ever hear of the Armenian genocide?
The Christian community of Lebanon is a shadow of what it once was. So many have immigrated to the United States. Muslims are the enemy of European Christianity. Keep your eye on the ball.
What you don't like in Israel, pressure on some Christian institutions, is very minor. Last year Israel denied the Muslims a mosque building permit right next to a large church in Nazareth and demolished any pre-construction.
A LITTLE SELF-ASSERTION BY ISRAEL Nazareth City officials finally destroyed the basement of a future mosque, started without permits on downtown land owned not by the Muslims but by the Israel Lands Authority. The mosque was intended to overshadow the Basilica of the Annunciation Church (Arut-z7, 7/1). It is a typical Muslim form of attack on other religions.
Israel is not responsible for oppression of Christians in Lebanon or Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. But they are responsible for what happens in their own territory and what they control. Is that unreasonable?
That's reasonable but you blow things out of proportion due to your anti Israel animus
Correct. We know where you are coming from. You have no liking for Israel. You in no way try to understand the precarious situation it's in. Next year the crazy ayatollahs may have nukes and missiles to deliver them. But what do you care.
A century ago, about one Palestinian Christian in six was a Christian. Now it's down to one in 50. I realise the zionist mythology holds as an article of faith that the Holy Land was a vacant lot before Herzl got going, but you and I know better than this.
The Muslims used them to tax them to death...Ever hear of the Janissaries?
Changing the subject again. Try to keep your eye on the ball, dennis.
I'm leaving now, and won't be back for 5 days. Have a happy new year.
And you're delusional enough to swallow the Muslim line that the Jews are doing it. Forcing out Christians. Try reading the content of my posts some time and you will learn something instead of recycling your anti Israel pap.
The only areas in Israel that Christians face oppression are in Palestinian controlled areas thanks to the Vatican.
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