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A right-winger attacks global warming (Left-winger attacks right-winger who attacked global warming)
Pittsburgh live ^ | 1/2/05 | Wayne Madsen

Posted on 01/01/2005 11:31:53 PM PST by Straight Vermonter

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To: superskunk

Actually, the science cited in Crichton's book---and he CITES REAL STUDIES---show that we are in the midst of a slight cooling trend over the past 50 years, although overall we are in a warming trend. In other words, for 1500 years its been getting warmer, but recently that has slowed, stopped, or even reversed a little, depending on the measurement. Check out his studies in there. Awesome.


41 posted on 01/02/2005 5:30:39 AM PST by LS
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To: muir_redwoods

Does anyone ever ask why it isn't getting warmer at the equator? Logically, any increase in temperature should be noticed first and be most pronounced at the warmest region.

I'll say it again... until these people can accurately predict what the weather is going to be next week, I won't believe anything they say about 100 years from now.


42 posted on 01/02/2005 5:32:22 AM PST by Dr. Free Market (Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking.)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Crichton's new book, State of Fear is great. I read it over the holidays and recomend it highly.


43 posted on 01/02/2005 5:49:59 AM PST by narby
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To: Straight Vermonter

Yeah... I guess it was "Global Warming" that caused it to SNOW in the United Arab Emirates (UAE) for the first time EVER recently.


44 posted on 01/02/2005 5:51:43 AM PST by DocH (Release ALL your Navy records AND your private journal Kerry!)
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To: sauropod

READ LATER


45 posted on 01/02/2005 5:57:31 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: superskunk
The problem is twofold, essentially. There is a contingent who would preserve a dynamic system in stasis. These just prove their ignorance of the very planet they purport to protect.

The other problem group is defined by the symbiotic relationship between agenda-driven people who control a lot of grant money, and the PhD culture which would publish nude photos of their grandmothers for the grant money the first group proffers. Therein is the circle of whoredom in academia, and the sciences, unfortunately, are not immune. Once a 'theory' has become widely accepted, whether it would ordinarily survive stringent peer review or not, the grant gravy train is set in motion, and huge money moves to make even the most crackpot idea 'documented scientific fact'.

Study references prior study to the point where multiple generations of studies, referencing previous work, carry forth the most ridiculous fallacies, and at that point no grant will be awarded to study any problem when the conclusions defy conventional scientific wisdom. If grant money was used to generate a study with contrary results, it is a given that the writer will see no more grants, and the work may be summarily quashed, never to see publication.

While not all scientists agree on everything, those in control of academia, (which, incidentally are often those most successful at bringing grant money to their institution), also control, through thesis/dissertation review, who will hold a PhD and who will get a job before then. Conform or die.

46 posted on 01/02/2005 6:44:38 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (Just watching the snow wear out blowing by on its way to Minnesota....)
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To: DugwayDuke
Simply because it is a convienient scam to transfer wealth from the US to the 3rd world.

You are on to something..

And who will the brokers of the transfer be? cashing in on every transaction?(Hint: No food for oil!)

47 posted on 01/02/2005 6:48:56 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (Just watching the snow wear out blowing by on its way to Minnesota....)
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To: DocH

I recall Rush reading a Time (?) magazine article from the early 70's that quoted several of the same scientists, that are INSISTING we have global warming, INSISTED at that time that the earth was entering a new ice age.

What we have here is a bunch of lemming-like scientists trolling for grant money.


48 posted on 01/02/2005 7:06:00 AM PST by brewer1516
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To: Straight Vermonter
Much of corporate America wants Kyoto. They want to play with the "carbon credit" money overseas.
49 posted on 01/02/2005 7:45:15 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are really stupid.)
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To: walford
"Mental note: Make a point of buying every Crichton book, seeing every movie.]"

I'll second you on reading every book. Crichton writes the best science "fact" page turners of any author around. I would suggest thinking twice about seeing every movie, though. Hollywood has butchered some of Crichton's novels as bad as they did Clancey's "The sum of all fears".

50 posted on 01/02/2005 8:09:03 AM PST by joebuck
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To: Straight Vermonter
Michael Crichton's new novel, "State of Fear," not only unfairly bashes the global environmental movement

The movement is a foil in the book. The book is a platform to attack the fallacies of the "Global Warming Myth" which Crichton does quite smartly.

51 posted on 01/02/2005 8:59:22 AM PST by Mike Darancette (MESOCONS FOR RICE '08)
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To: Dr. Free Market
"I'll say it again... until these people can accurately predict what the weather is going to be next week, I won't believe anything they say about 100 years from now."

I'm not sure I'd use that criterion. It is easier to make a general statement about where the Dow is headed in the next 6-18 months than it is to predict where General Motors will close next Tuesday. I don't even have a problem with predictions about warming. I just think it's ludicrous to blame it all on human activity when the workings of the sun are still so poorly understood.

52 posted on 01/02/2005 10:31:24 AM PST by muir_redwoods
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

If you claim nothing is going on, it looks like your head is in the sand and you are as bad as the sky is falling people.

It's nature. Get over it. Show me someone who can change nature, other than God.


53 posted on 01/02/2005 12:59:18 PM PST by taxesareforever
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To: Straight Vermonter
The book demonizes scientists who argue that the world is heading toward cataclysmic weather change unless something is done....

Call the waaaaaahhmbulance!!

54 posted on 01/02/2005 1:05:26 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Gun-control is leftist mind-control.)
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To: Straight Vermonter
Better read this, Wayne: A LOOK AT THE ENVIRONMENTAL CHANGES AND "GLOBAL WARMING"

Silly me, since when do the facts mean anything to the enviro-socialists?

55 posted on 01/02/2005 1:11:02 PM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Gun-control is leftist mind-control.)
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To: DugwayDuke
"Simply because it is a convenient scam to transfer wealth from the US to the 3rd world."

Close, but it is really about transferring wealth from capitalists to socialists.

Socialists cannot compete, and must resort to subtrefuge.

56 posted on 01/02/2005 2:48:26 PM PST by MonroeDNA (“I feel more comfortable with Soviet intellectuals than I do with American businessmen.” --Soros)
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To: Straight Vermonter

http://www.cei.org/gencon/003,04221.cfm

Competitive Enterprise Institute

Senate Mounts Sneak Attack on Sound Science
Proposal Would Make Exceptions to Data Quality Law
by CEI Staff
September 22, 2004

Contact for Interviews:

Richard Morrison, 202.331.2273

Washington, D.C., September 22, 2004—In a behind-the-scenes move with far reaching implications, the Senate Appropriations Committee last week approved a bill including language that would shield one of the federal government’s most important scientific agencies from legal requirements mandating integrity in government science. A clause in the annual appropriations bill for the Department of Commerce and other agencies (S. 2809) would exempt research produced by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration from complying with the Federal Data Quality Act, which requires that data circulated by federal agencies conform to standards of scientific integrity.

“This quiet ploy is clearly aimed at avoiding the inevitable lawsuits exposing the junk science, much of it traceable to NOAA, which has been employed in government publications in recent years, including two alarmist global warming reports,” said Christopher C. Horner, Senior Fellow and Counsel at the Competitive Enterprise Institute. “The apparent strategy here – that any agency or department report using NOAA science will now be above the law – guts existing data quality rules in the very context which forced Congress to enact them in the first place.”

The White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, in response to a lawsuit filed by CEI, was previously forced to admit that at least one such federal study—the National Assessment on Climate Change—was never subjected to the requirements to the Data Quality Act and thus does not represent government policy.

“The Data Quality Act is a valuable tool to stop federal agencies from producing or using faulty and biased information,” said Myron Ebell, Director of Global Warming and International Environmental Policy. “How any Senator could be against basing public policy on sound science is beyond belief.”


57 posted on 01/02/2005 2:51:44 PM PST by MonroeDNA (“I feel more comfortable with Soviet intellectuals than I do with American businessmen.” --Soros)
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To: Straight Vermonter
A science tidbit:

Three-quarter of all the fresh water on Earth is locked up in ice even now, and we have ice caps at both poles-a situation that may be unique in Earth's history.That there are snowy winters through much of the world and permanent glaciers even in temperat places such as New Zealand may seen quite ntural, but in fact it is amost unusual situation for the planet.

58 posted on 01/02/2005 6:52:12 PM PST by razorback-bert
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To: fat city

Like most things supporting "global warming".... it doesn't have to be credible, it just has to support it.


59 posted on 01/02/2005 9:39:04 PM PST by Outland (Global warming: The biggest scam on the planet.)
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To: Straight Vermonter

are invading the popular culture to advance fanatic and lunatic right-wing ideas and agendas

Ha, I alughed so hard when I read this part!! No end to the levels of transferance these people are capable of!

I read a review of itm, somewhere, it sounds great.


60 posted on 01/02/2005 9:53:28 PM PST by gidget7 (God Bless America, and our President George W. Bush)
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