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Spain Rejects Pope's Criticism of Gov't
Associated Press ^ | January 25, 2005

Posted on 01/25/2005 8:40:45 AM PST by Unam Sanctam

Spain's defense minister on Tuesday rejected Pope John Paul II's criticism of its Socialist government, which wants to legalize gay marriage and streamline laws on divorce and abortion, and he said some church positions go against the teachings of Jesus Christ.

``Faith is not something a government can impose. It is not something that it is up to the state, but rather to people,'' Defense Minister Jose Bono told Spanish radio, the news agency Efe reported.

He said some of the church's positions, such as its opposition to homosexuality and use of condoms, go against the message of Jesus Christ, according to the report.

``Today, Christ would be more worried about the 25,000 children who die each day of hunger or in wars. I think Christ would side with those who are peaceful,'' Bono was quoted as saying.

Bono is believed to be the only practicing Catholic in the Spanish Cabinet.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: europeanchristians; franco; johnpaulii; socialists; spain
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Faith is not something a government can impose.

The irony of a government official telling the Pope what the teachings of the Catholic faith are apparently escape him.

1 posted on 01/25/2005 8:40:45 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: Unam Sanctam

Now, more than ever!

2 posted on 01/25/2005 8:46:33 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Unam Sanctam

I guess we can say that the Spanish Civil War is finally over.....and the Socialists won.


3 posted on 01/25/2005 8:47:16 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: Unam Sanctam

Spain........slipping into turd world status?
Fudge packers of the world, UNITE.

Semper Fi


4 posted on 01/25/2005 8:47:53 AM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Unam Sanctam
Bono is believed to be the only practicing Catholic in the Spanish Cabinet.

Then there's none.

5 posted on 01/25/2005 8:48:31 AM PST by nina0113
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To: Rodney King

But can they find another one soon enough to save them?

6 posted on 01/25/2005 8:48:34 AM PST by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsënspåånkængrüppen ØberKømmändø (EMØØK))
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To: Unam Sanctam
Bono is believed to be the only practicing Catholic in the Spanish Cabinet.

This is the most amazing statement in the article in my opinion.

7 posted on 01/25/2005 8:49:10 AM PST by johniegrad
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To: Unam Sanctam
He said some of the church's positions, such as its opposition to homosexuality and use of condoms, go against the message of Jesus Christ

Wild guess, he doesn't actually quote any Scripture to back up his assertion.

Bono is believed to be the only practicing Catholic in the Spanish Cabinet.

Needs more practice.

8 posted on 01/25/2005 8:49:21 AM PST by siunevada
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To: Rodney King; livius

got an author on that? I'm also looking for good English-language bios of Moscardo & Calvo Sotelo.


9 posted on 01/25/2005 8:49:40 AM PST by nina0113
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To: Unam Sanctam
He said some of the church's positions, such as its opposition to homosexuality and use of condoms, go against the message of Jesus Christ

Yup. Scripture is full of Christ's homilies about the benefits of homosexuality and condoms. Really, almost anyplace you open the New Testament, Christ is going on and on about how great bathhouses and gay parades and drag queens are.

Maybe if the socialists would actually read the Bible, they wouldn't sound so silly when they lecture Christians about it.

10 posted on 01/25/2005 8:50:06 AM PST by ModelBreaker
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To: Unam Sanctam

Let the pointy head socialits get what they want.

In a few years, they'll wake up (like Netherlands, and other European countries slowly are) and realize that they lost their country.

No morals, anything goes, BIG government waste and social programs, higher unemployment, no "family values" to speak of, and a 'history' that is long gone and will never return.

A 'new' Spain, that is sterilzed by a grim cloud of socialism, no warmth, no love, no goodness, and overrun with a selfish people who feel they have the right to everything and the responsabilty of nothing.

And they'll deserve every minute of it.

Good riddenance.

Lets just focus on Iraq and Afganistan. Spain can self-destruct, there are MORE than a few nations that are coming of age to take the place of such a fundamentally defective government (elected by the people)... so again. They deserve every bit of it.


11 posted on 01/25/2005 8:52:02 AM PST by FreedomNeocon (2)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Another irony is: a member of the culture of death decrying death, in the name of Christ, no less.

Materialist ideology murdered more people in the 20th century than did all religions combined.


12 posted on 01/25/2005 8:52:15 AM PST by PonyTailGuy (Don't let John Kerry anywhere NEAR the White House)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Am I wrong or were these idiots losing before the Madrid bombings? Now we know why.


13 posted on 01/25/2005 8:54:17 AM PST by WestVirginiaRebel ("Senator, we can have this discussion in any way that you would like.")
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To: Unam Sanctam
"Today, Christ would be more worried about the 25,000 children who die each day of hunger or in wars."

Is the Christ of "today" different than the one of yesterday or tomorrow? And, since when does He get "worried?" And is He not able to consider more than one group of the suffering at a time?

Apparently the 'leaders' of Spain don't know the God of the bible. They must be serving a different god.....and I think I know what name he goes by....

14 posted on 01/25/2005 8:57:46 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: nina0113

http://www.isi.org/books/bookdetail.aspx?id=f488432f-e90f-4b1e-a0ed-38b5b4a6ea6c

Buy the above book!


15 posted on 01/25/2005 8:57:59 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: nina0113

To be clear, the picture I posted is not a book, I don't think.


16 posted on 01/25/2005 8:59:00 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Unam Sanctam

How many children died of hunger because Hussein and his cronies used the money for their food to build palaces? How many children died in Hussein's brutal suppression of any dissent? What did the Spanish socialists due about? Tuck tail and run. Cowards.


17 posted on 01/25/2005 8:59:46 AM PST by bobjam
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To: Rodney King

Oh I've got that one. I've got a whole shelf of Guerra Civil books, but most of them are written from that "romantic" leftist perspective. Thanks for nothing, Hemingway.


18 posted on 01/25/2005 9:00:52 AM PST by nina0113
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To: FreedomNeocon
A 'new' Spain, that is sterilzed by a grim cloud of socialism, no warmth, no love, no goodness, and overrun with a selfish people who feel they have the right to everything and the responsabilty of nothing.

Reminds me of my time in Germany, sadly enough.

19 posted on 01/25/2005 9:12:41 AM PST by rightwinggoth
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To: nina0113

Thanks for the ping. Unfortunately, every book I know about is in Spanish. There are several very good authors, such as Pio Moa, who have been presenting the "other side" (which, lest we forget, was the winning side) in the Civil War, but none of their work has been translated.

I think Stanley Payne is the most even-handed of the American historians of Spain, btw.


20 posted on 01/25/2005 11:00:03 AM PST by livius
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