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1 posted on 01/26/2005 8:45:28 AM PST by tvn
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To: sinkspur

C'mere.


2 posted on 01/26/2005 8:47:56 AM PST by johniegrad
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To: tvn

BTTT


3 posted on 01/26/2005 8:48:15 AM PST by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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Not a Catholic but this does not help The Church.
4 posted on 01/26/2005 8:50:24 AM PST by Damifino (The true measure of a man is found in what he would do if he knew no one would ever find out.)
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To: tvn
Sacrilege.

The Apostle Peter was not married...

...wait a minute.

5 posted on 01/26/2005 8:52:21 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: tvn

They should be allowed to marry. It will never happen though.


6 posted on 01/26/2005 8:54:54 AM PST by Lovebloggers
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When I was in Catholic high school we had a couple of priests that were real skirt chasers. The problem was that they were chasing the senior girls. A couple eventually left the priesthood and were later married.

We also had some priests in the ol' rectory that were celibate when it came to women but not with each other. Some referred to them as being "celibutt in the rectumry".

Personally? I think they should be allowed to be married. It would bring females into the picture to keep and eye on things and also make it easier to tell which priests were, let's say, out of the norm.

7 posted on 01/26/2005 8:55:43 AM PST by isthisnickcool (Denny Crane: "I look to two things: First to God and then to Fox News.")
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To: tvn

Rome,

And while you're at it, let's revisit the whole monogamy thing...and maybe meat on Fridays...and...

Love, the "dwindling ranks"


8 posted on 01/26/2005 8:57:20 AM PST by Lekker 1 (A government policy to rob Peter to pay Paul can be assured of the support of Paul [G.B. Shaw])
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To: tvn

Look, just because is guy is married doesn't mean that he will be able to do a better job counseling a wife and husband having difficulty in their marriage.

But the ability for Catholic priests to marry couldn't hurt recruitment in America. My God, I think they are something like 29-thousand parish priests in all of the US, and only 300 or 400 of them are UNDER the age of 30.

Some day, I am certain, Catholic priests will be allowed to marry. But not soon.


10 posted on 01/26/2005 9:00:07 AM PST by RexBeach
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Yeah, we gotta get rid of that celibacy thing. The mainstream media needs new headlines:

"Catholic Priest Caught in Adultery Scandal"
"Father Is An Dead-Beat Dad"
"Ex-wife Wants Half of Diocese"
"Padre Pounds Pretty Little Princess"
...

You get the idea: they'll be looking for that first extra-marital affair, divorce, spousal abuse, etc. to give new fresh black eyes to the Catholic Church.

TS

13 posted on 01/26/2005 9:02:47 AM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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May, it's tough, but a priest's job is supposed to be. It's showing an utter detachment to your own wishes so you can minister to your flock better. As to whether it should be overturned, I'm really undecided, there will be more priests then, but it is also opening the door more more leftism a la Vatican II.

Personally, if priests could marry, I would be strongly tempted to join the priesthood. As it is as a twenty three year old male, women unfortunately clutter up way too much of my mind, and I don't know if I could let them go to be effective. We'll see what tomorrow brings I guess.
14 posted on 01/26/2005 9:03:38 AM PST by DarkSavant ("To live is to love and to love is to suffer" -Virgil)
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It has been, but it hasn't been for the whole history of the church. Half the history of the church has been married clergy, and the clergy in the beginning were married. Peter had his wife – the first Apostle. So, it's never been a restrictor for a long time within the church.

There's two sides to this coin: half the history of the Church has been celibate clergy as St. Paul proclaimed the beauty of it.

There are several hurdles that these priests cannot jump:
1. The defining vow of a priest is obedience to the Magesterium, not celibacy.

2. Priests are in persona Christi. Thus, as Christ was celibate, and preached that it is better to sacrifice this desire for the sake of the Kingdom, it is logical then that if a priest truly desires to fulfill his role as much as possible, being in persona Christi, and sacrifice the whole of his life for the sake of the kingdom it is necessary for him to be celibate.

There are no theological or spiritual "pro's" that these priests can offer for being married. The best they can offer is "well, its been done in the past" and this leads me to seriously question their intent and their commitment to both Christ and His Church.
15 posted on 01/26/2005 9:03:58 AM PST by mike182d
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To: NYer; Salvation; Land of the Irish; narses

ping


34 posted on 01/26/2005 9:16:20 AM PST by kstewskis ( you have to have a mind before you lose it....)
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I read this thread and noted that no one picked up on the fact that the Roman Catholic Church does admit married men to the priesthood. It's called the "pastoral provision". Google that or see the link www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/MARPRIE.htm

So being married is itself not an impediment to being a priest. It's just that this option is only allowed for priests who were ordained in another rite and were married before converting to the Roman rite.

79 posted on 01/26/2005 10:16:33 AM PST by Procyon
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89 posted on 01/26/2005 10:27:04 AM PST by Antoninus (In hoc sign, vinces †)
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The orthodox church allows for marriage and has since before there was a roman catholic church.

The caviate is that you have to BE married when becomeing a priest and you can't get married after being a priest. Which is why many decons wait to get married before taking the final vows.

The other caviate is that the priest can only go up to a certain rank as a married priest and the higher ranks are for unmarried only. (arch bishop)

And just for added information, the nicean creed includes the line "one holy catholic and apostolic church..." So technically there is a catholic (which just means universal) church which allows marriage.

I think these priests have a valid point worth discussing. No snap judgments either way.


97 posted on 01/26/2005 10:41:37 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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Priests were married for over 1,000 years after Christ's death.

Priests being celibate is a tradition just started in the 13th century of so. It's no sin to be married and have sex. Many people are actually MORE effective in the ministry as a result of marriage.

The bottom line is a belief that one is more holy if one does not marry. Balderdash. Jesus is the one who is holy. All who have true belief are holy whether married or not.

The Catholic church will eventually drop this outdated rule. Until they do they will have trouble drawing people

118 posted on 01/26/2005 12:16:02 PM PST by what's up
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The problem is that if these men marry, then the Church has to worry about support of the wives and children and the Church will be taken into divorce courts around the world for support as well.

The priests are supposed to live in near poverty and the women and kids thing just isn't that workable.

As it is, the Church has been through a ton of lawsuits lately because they have assets and Real Estate.
The problems in the Church with homosexual predators who lied to become priests happens equally throughout the different versions of faith/religion, but the Catholic Church's assets is a carrot on a stick for plaintiffs and lawyers.

Priests marrying will split the priest's time, will cause problems and the wives will claim they were due payments over everything.

Too tough to do IMO.


122 posted on 01/26/2005 12:22:42 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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They want to change the contract.

It's like the renegade military guys who signed up and then didn't want to stand by their word and do their duty.

Punks all.


134 posted on 01/26/2005 1:05:57 PM PST by Beckwith (Barbara Boxer is the Wicked Witch of the West . . .)
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A few thoughts:

1. In most cases, those formerly protestant and married pastors who are now Catholic priests do not have pastoral care of a parish; in many cases, they are given other responsibilities more in keeping with a 8-or 10-hour day, in respect to their family life. So the argument from THIS kind of married priest really does not apply to the type of work that 90% of diocesan priests do: work in a parish.

2. It is a common fallacy to say that a married priest would offer more effective counseling than a celebate priest. In fact, I do not know one priest (and I know many dozens) who offer THAT kind of counseling. For marriage counseling, a priest would recommend--get this--a professional marriage counselor. By contrast, a priest will talk with the couple, together or separately, and lead them to a deeper prayer life, or a deeper understanding of God's will for their lives, etc. They would receive spiritual counseling.

3. It is a fact, maybe a sad fact, that a married clergy will place enormous strain on the finances of a parish and the ability of a parish to carry out its panaply of sacramental liturgies. Right now, a celebate priest earns about 14,000 dollars american per year. The just wage for a married priest would have to be triple that.

143 posted on 01/26/2005 1:41:39 PM PST by Remole
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Yeth pleeth, me and Father Bruth want the Vatican to give thanction to our relationship.

Much as I hate to say it, many seminaries and rectories resemble Fire Island in the summer, or Key West in the winter.

144 posted on 01/26/2005 1:43:18 PM PST by Clemenza (I Am Here to Chew Bubblegum and Kick Ass, and I'm ALL OUT OF BUBBLEGUM!)
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