Posted on 02/19/2005 6:06:09 AM PST by ncphinsfan
Republicans swept to power in Congress 10 years ago championing state prerogatives, and one of their first acts was to repeal federal speed-limit requirements. Another was aimed at ending unfunded state mandates. So last week's House vote to require costly and intrusive federal standards for state drivers licenses is a measure of how far the party has strayed from these federalist principles.
We don't want a national ID card.
"Papers pliss"
The old giving up liberty for security thing.
Agree. That certainly is one reason. Another might be found in parochialism of some States re: Giving up a prerogative (A lousy reason IMO). Yet another might be a hesitancy to actually establish a basis for real, effective voter identification thereby limiting the 'Flexibility' of the parties (Wash State?) in conducting elections.
Because you can't verbalize a response? You did know that the 9/11 hijackers had legal drivers' licenses just like they still would under this bill don't you?
It's kind of tiring after a while trying to discuss this issue with you saying the same thing over and over and over again.
Are you aware of how many Hispanics are on this board speaking out against illegal immigration and the economic consequences as a result of it?
With you jumping to conclusions all the time about people's motives as you do maybe a more appropriate screename should be lightning rod because that's what you made yourself.
So my wife, who is a third-generation American citizen of Mexican ancestry, doesn't like Mexicans because she is opposed to illegal immigration.
That's really special, bayourod. She has to hate herself for your theory to be valid.
No, how many? Name them.
There are quite a few though I'm not going to mention names or ping them. If you stopped to read the posts once in a while you'd know who they are.
How is a National ID any different than things now such as a Social Security Card, a Passport, credit card, birth certificate or any other of the host of ID currently used except that it would be more effective by establishing consistent standards? If you think a National ID reduces personal privacy just check a credit report sometime. What you fear is already a fact only the lack of standards in individual identification makes these outmoded methods susceptible to fraud and identity theft. IMO Current proposals might pave the way for closing some of these gaps.
bayourod, for the umteenth time, it's ANTI-ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS not ANTI-IMMIGRANTS. Can you not comprehend the concept of ILLEGAL?
Since he's playing the race card, it isn't that he cannot comprehend the concept, it's that he doesn't WANT to acknowledge the concept.
I do believe you're right.
Sorry, you're wrong.
Several of them obtained Virginia ID cards (not DLs) under false pretenses and by using phony documents. At the time, it was possible to have a third party attest that you were a resident of Virginia in order to get Virginia IDs, DLs, and learner's permits. No proof of residency or proof or presence in the U.S. was required.
Worse, the people who provided these documents were running a larger forged documents business in Virginia, and at least one of them was an illegal. IIRC two were convicted and one was deported.
The hijackers made their first phony documents connection at the Dar al Hijra mosque in Falls Church; who in turn escorted them to the 7-11 at Bailey's Crossroads where they met the broker; who then escorted the hijackers (on more than one occasion) to the DMV on Five Mile Run.
A national ID is a mandatory imposition by the state into my affairs.
Social security is a ponzi scheme, refined robbery by the state.
Credit card info is a voluntary, contractual association between me and a business. I can end that at any time.
The first 10 amendments of the US consitution can be boiled down to three words: "Leave me alone!"
I didn't move into the bush, far, far away from idiot, intrusive government, to see some nitwit politician tell me that I need to carry an internal federal fascist passport.
exactly...
I haven't see any. There have been several who have married Mexicans. Give me some names if you claim there are so many.
HiJinx for one, not that I'm sure he wants to come to this thread and read your same old, same old...
No doubt the WSJ has an agenda.
That does not negate the fact that a national ID tramples state powers and expands those of the fedgov.
He certainly doesn't appear to be you typical "Hispanic". From his profile page:
"Started out as AF brat, born in England, moved to Italy, then all around (California, Mississippi, Libya, Ohio, Arizona) till I joined the Army in '76. Entered in Phoenix, served at Ft. Meade, Ft. Riley, tours in Berlin and Augsburg, retired down here at Ft. Huachuca in Sierra Vista, and currently working for a defense contractor. Married to a wonderful Italian gal, "
"Universal indentiers - they are not just for farm animals anymore."
Good one.
The state wants to keep track of its property - us.
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