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To: K. Smirnov
Kazan and conquer of khanates was only the beginning and the moment when Russian military presence in Northern Caucasia started. And have you heard about Chechen 30 year struggle for independence in XIX century (1828-59)? And I am glad you mentioned my enlighted ancestors and the rule they imposed on Russia for two years in XVII century. Your government has been doing exactly the same thing to Chechens for over 200 years without you even noticing the striking similarity of these hated puppet governments. Plus genocidal policy towards the common Chechnyan people, I forgot to add. Funny, isn't it? Imperialistic ambitions...hmm I thought I would not have to tell you that your country was once a Soviet empire called by late RR an "evil empire". And that every country trying to shake off Stalin's imposed "Moscow's sphere of influence bargain" had to go through long and painful process of divorce and some of them may not be your friends anymore (like Balts). Not in the very near future, at least. Really I don't like to quarrel about facts here. I don't believe you don't know all that by heart. The problem is your lack of denial imperialistic tendencies in your elites. The problem is apologetic attitude to the communist crimes that took millions of lives of innocent Russians. And if you think that your relationships with neighbours under Putin's rule are rosy, then I would like to congratulate you your good humour. You're FM is behaving really in a bear-like manner as far as history is concerned. Constantly trying to show Poland where is its place. Pissing on small ones you "don't consider players". It's useless man, we know our history so lies won't do. ;)

Personally, I don't think there is another solution for Chechnya but independence - sooner or later. And it depends on you whether you'll have it hostile or peaceful and friendly.
173 posted on 03/14/2005 7:44:14 AM PST by twinself
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To: twinself
Dear twinself. You take it:
1) way too personal
2) twist it in the favour of your new friends
I believe that there is nothing wrong with that.
However, when Pole speaks about Russia, there is undeniably, a bias. Some sort of jealosy mixed with what not. Get over with that. Look into the future.
I ain't Putin, nor I am personally responsible for USSR past transgressions. If you prefer to live by what happened in the past - that is your choice. I do not.
Your advices on independence for Chechnya are leftist, idealistic and out of historical context. I wrote you already, that if they lived on robbing others and kidnapping their children for ransome, no one, I repeat, no one will give them independence. No matter whether it is Alexander II, baaadd Stalin, or enlightened RR. That just doesn happen.
How about giving Iraq independence? Just right now. Unconditionally. Just because - for the sake of it.
If Chechens were to live independently, they should learn how to live responsibly and face the consequences of what they do. So far they did not (like Dagestan, 1999). So far they do not deserve sovereignity. I wonder, if Chechnya bordered Poland, how would your country (sic! not you) deal with that?
PS: I have to correct you on the geography again. You said: "Kazan and conquer of khanates was only the beginning and the moment when Russian military presence in Northern Caucasia started."
Have you ever looked at the map? Do you have a slightest idea where Kazan and where Northern Caucasses is? Just to educate you a bit. Kazan-Moscow=720 km. Kazan-Grozny (capital of Chechnya, FYI)=1440 km. How come, that by conquering Tatars (who in their own turn consequently burned Russian cities between 13th and 16th century) Russia started her military presence on Northern Caucasses? This really shows your level of argumentation. Very emotional, no long-sought rationale.
174 posted on 03/15/2005 1:51:32 AM PST by K. Smirnov (Do not let the sands of time get into your lunch)
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