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ACLU plans to follow Minuteman Project
Sierra Vista Herald ^ | 9 March 2005 | Bill Hess

Posted on 03/09/2005 1:15:10 PM PST by Spiff

ACLU plans to follow Minuteman Project

BY BILL HESS

Wednesday, March 9, 2005 11:31 AM MST

Sierra Vista Herald/Review

BISBEE, Arizona - The Minutemen are coming to Cochise County next month, and the American Civil Liberties Union of Arizona is, too.

At least two ACLU observers will tag along wherever Minuteman Project volunteers go, said, Ray Ybarra, an Ira Glasser Racial Justice Fellow, a title given him by the national ACLU headquarters.

Hopefully, he said, there will be no confrontation with "the vigilantes."

"If they go hiking through the desert, we'll be there with them. If they sit in lawn chairs, we'll sit in lawn chairs next to them," he said.

The object is to watch the volunteers' actions.

By following the volunteers, the ACLU of Arizona is putting those involved in the Minuteman Project on notice that the violation of the civil rights of "migrants" will not be accepted, Ybarra said.

Chris Simcox, co-organizer of the Minuteman Project and longtime advocate of helping patrol the border using citizens, said the ACLU is not a detriment to the proposed operations planned in April. He said ACLU members have patrolled with the Civil Homeland Defense, a Tombstone-based group he formed.

Simcox said the ACLU observers can walk along with the volunteers and sit with them.

The more presence there is, the bigger the message will be to illegal immigrants, Simcox said.

"It will create more of a deterrent," he said.

On previous operations, ACLU members could not find that anything wrong had been done, he added.

Ybarra, a native of Arizona who was born in Douglas and now works out of that community as part of the fellowship program, said groups who come into the county with the intention of enforcing federal immigration laws at the minimum have to be monitored.

Cochise County Sheriff Larry Dever has been remiss in stopping the assault on illegal immigrants, Ybarra said Tuesday.

"The activities of the current vigilantes and those new volunteers constitutes unlawful imprisonment, but unfortunately the Cochise County sheriff attended a meeting of the Minuteman Project as a sign of support.

"To this date, he (Dever) has yet to arrest any private citizens for unlawfully detaining or abusing migrants despite a vast amount of evidence hat these incidents have occurred," he said.

Ybarra sent Dever a letter Monday calling on the sheriff to do his duty as the county's top law enforcement officer. Ybarra's letter urged the sheriff to uphold Arizona laws. He said the Minuteman Project has the potential to violate a number of state statutes, including false imprisonment and unauthorized detention.

Dever said Ybarra's idea that he is not upholding the law is based on innuendo and false assumptions.

The sheriff reiterated that every complaint about illegal immigrants being denied any of their rights and allegations of being assaulted or harmed in any way are investigated and reports submitted to the Cochise County attorney and the federal government for decisions if charges are to be made.

As for Ybarra's assertion that he met with those putting on the monthlong border campaign and patted them on the back, Dever said nothing is further from the truth.

The sheriff met with Jim Gilchrist, a co-organizer of the Minuteman Project, and other volunteers in Tombstone in January. Dever said that meeting was to inform Gilchrist of Arizona's laws and the sheriff's view of the laws.

Dever said no criminal activities will be condoned by anyone, those involved in the Minuteman Project, groups or individuals supporting them or organizations and individuals against them. The application of the law will "be swift," he said.

"I'm not going to let anything get out of hand," he said.

There are reports a violent gang called MS-13, made up of criminals with ties to Central American nations, may attempt to disrupt the Minuteman Project, the sheriff said. Although intelligence on MS-13's intentions are not clear, other reports also include the potential that pro and counter groups may show up, Dever said.

"It's a powder keg just waiting for someone to light the fuse," the sheriff said.

By having additional people along the border, such as the proposed legal observers of the ACLU of Arizona, the situation could deteriorate, the sheriff said.

According to a Feb. 28 update on the Minuteman Project Web site, 863 people from all 50 states, including two from Canada, have signed up to come to Cochise County.

Many people who want the border closed say the United States is being invaded by illegal immigrants to the detriment of the nation's economic well being and security.

"The migration by our southern neighbors is not an invasion," Ybarra counted.

He said immigration has always been part of U.S. history, and immigrants make the nation stronger.

ACLU of Arizona will be training individuals as legal observers with workshops in Douglas, Tucson and Phoenix. Ybarra said people in northern California have expressed interest in assisting ACLU of Arizona with its planned project.

"Legal observers will be following these private citizens as they attempt to illegally enforce federal immigration laws," he said.

The observers will report any violations to lawyers, who will be available to file actions against the Minuteman Project people, Ybarra said.

To Ybarra, the Minuteman Project volunteers are dangerous.

"The vigilantes are symbolic of the fear and misunderstanding that exists in our society," he said.

HERALD/REVIEW senior reporter Bill Hess can be reached at 515-4615 or by e-mail at bill.hess@svherald.com.


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aclu; aliens; borderintruders; borderinvasion; borders; cochisecounty; illegalaliens; illegals; immigration; minutemanproject
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To: Spiff
The ACLU has never met an illegal alien it didn't see as being unwelcome in this country.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)
81 posted on 03/09/2005 6:21:36 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Spiff
Well stated.

The ACLU is in a frenzy in support of activities and groups that will damage this country. They go after small school that dare to say a prayer - God to them is a dirty word, they have attacked the National Honor Society's requirement to have character count (and won), they have supported pedophiles and other dangerous perverts, the list goes on.

82 posted on 03/09/2005 7:30:32 PM PST by Dante3
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To: HiJinx
Make sure no "garbage" is picked up the end of the month, an be sure you take the ACLU thro all of it.

See if they will file a law suit for you guys, for your rights being ignored. If I was 10 years younger I would be there in a minute.
83 posted on 03/09/2005 10:03:41 PM PST by calawah98
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To: Sonny M

Huzzah!! :-)


84 posted on 03/09/2005 10:51:42 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Spiff

"At least two ACLU observers will tag along wherever Minuteman Project volunteers go,"

Not on private property they won't.


85 posted on 03/10/2005 5:37:49 AM PST by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: Spiff

It is beyond time for the ALCU to be charged with racketeering, intimidation, and extortion.


86 posted on 03/10/2005 11:39:43 AM PST by Texas_Jarhead
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To: Spiff

I cant say enough bad things about the ACLU - they are pure evil plain and simple.


87 posted on 03/10/2005 11:54:38 AM PST by sasafras (sasafras (unity not diversity is what made America great))
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To: Spiff
He said the Minuteman Project has the potential to violate a number of state statutes,....

The Bill of Rights has the potential for the same but as Tom Landry said, "Potential means you haven't done it yet."

88 posted on 03/10/2005 12:00:14 PM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all things that need to be done need to be done by the government.)
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To: HiJinx
On previous operations, ACLU members could not find that anything wrong had been done, he added.

That's because the lil' CLU(eless) twits keep a VERY SAFE distance . . . especially when there are real hombres around! Right, HiJinx? (BTW, thanks for all the muy bueno pings!:-)

89 posted on 03/10/2005 4:54:33 PM PST by KiloLima (Lord, have mercy on us!)
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To: KiloLima; Jeff Head

My pleasure. We'll keep the pressure on until something cracks.

One of my mantras goes something like this:

Plug the dike.

Drain the swamp.

Plug the dike.

Drain the swamp.

Plug the dike.

Drain the swamp.


Because it don't work the other way around!


90 posted on 03/10/2005 5:03:29 PM PST by HiJinx (They're not vigilantes, they're undocumented Border Patrol agents.)
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To: Spiff

"Therefore, by their own definition, the ACLU observers are vigilantes themselves. "

Excellent point. Liberals don't believe in violence or "taking the law into their own hands", unless it is they that is doing it.

There may also be Arizona law that prohibits the vigilante actions of the ACLU, including stalking, harassing, and disturbing the peace.


91 posted on 03/10/2005 5:06:18 PM PST by shellshocked
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To: Spiff

The MMP should go as deep as possible into the desert, and, just before nighfall, have someone pick them up in a truck or ATVS, leaving these dweezles to freeze to death.


92 posted on 03/10/2005 5:08:54 PM PST by shellshocked
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To: Conservative Firster

"The Minutemen are not "vigilantes" they are just undocumented Border Patrol agents."


Nice. Worth repeating.


93 posted on 03/10/2005 5:09:39 PM PST by shellshocked
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To: k2blader

VIDEO CAMERAS lots of em.


94 posted on 04/01/2005 9:23:05 AM PST by TomasUSMC
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