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To: SoFloFreeper

Break out the industrial strength aluminum hats and asbestos suits, the fanatic Save Terri At All Costs crowd is on a rampage.

Is it Christian to make up lies and repeat lies about abuse and neglect to demonize Michael because people disagree with the fully legal and often reviewed decisions? Like I tell the fanatical Democrats with the conspiracy theories on the last election. Get over it. You are in the minority and the majority voted for Bush. In this case, Judge Greer was recently re-elected by a wide majority. The polls show a wide majority of people agree with his decisions.

Flame on all you want.


50 posted on 03/16/2005 10:49:44 AM PST by ORECON (PaleoCon - NRA Life Member - Molon labe)
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To: ORECON

Shall we put your life up for a vote?


56 posted on 03/16/2005 10:53:14 AM PST by BykrBayb (5 minutes of prayer for Terri, every day at 11 am EDT, until she's safe. http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: ORECON

Appartently you never met a wife-killing, adulterous piece of human excrement that you didn't like.


60 posted on 03/16/2005 10:55:48 AM PST by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: ORECON

64 posted on 03/16/2005 10:57:55 AM PST by Future Useless Eater (FreedomLoving_Engineer)
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To: ORECON

"Lies" about abuse? Those "lies" come directly from court documents and the DFS filing.


91 posted on 03/16/2005 11:09:18 AM PST by Politicalmom (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys.")
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To: ORECON

"Is it Christian to make up lies and repeat lies about abuse and neglect "

If they are lies. If someone is just repeating the notarized affidavits of the real nurses who worked at the Hospice and cared for Terri and saw first hand what they are swearing to, then, It is Christian.

Here, read for yourself.

http://www.cnsnews.com/pdf/2003/aff1.pdf

http://www.cnsnews.com/pdf/2003/aff2.pdf


104 posted on 03/16/2005 11:12:50 AM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: ORECON

You live in a state that approves of doctor assisted suicide and call those who are appalled at the starvation of Terri fanatics! Unbelievable!
Then in the same post you refer to what it is to be Christian, lamenting at what you deem to be lies about Michael Schiavo!
Finally you end it with your half-baked idea that somehow human life can be ended by a majority vote!
The fact that Judge Greer was elected by a majority of voters has absolutely nothing to do with his flawed decision to remove Terri's feeding tube.
This case is about legalized euthanasia pure and simple. It's their test case. It's not just about Terri, it's about us all.
If you indeed are a Christian, which I doubt, you should pray for forgiveness for your advocacy of murder.


120 posted on 03/16/2005 11:18:46 AM PST by antceecee
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To: ORECON

Name the lies that have been made up.


298 posted on 03/16/2005 12:50:09 PM PST by sport
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To: ORECON
All of us, including Terri, have a God-given right to not have our life taken without due process of law. I find it interesting that the most heinous murderer in the nation would be afforded far more due process before his death sentence was implemented than that due process which Terri has received. Furthermore, her treatment has been, is, and intends to be abusive. Denying her contact with relatives and clergy, denying her medical treatment, denying her basic personal hygiene, denying her therapy, denying her an attorney...the list goes on and on, including a desire to dehydrate her to death. If anyone treated their pet in this manner he'd be arrested, fined, and jailed for animal cruelty. And, God-given rights are not subject to the whim of majority opinion.

Personally, I'd rather see food and water withheld from you until you die a miserable death than Terri be subjected to such a sentence. After all, she's not hurting anyone, but the world would be improved by the extirpation of your venomous and ignorant absence of compassion.

602 posted on 03/16/2005 7:39:59 PM PST by PeoplesRepublicOfWashington (Re-elect Rossi in 2005!)
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To: ORECON
Since I now don't have to worry about ORECON actually answering me (shudder), I'll use his name as a place to jump into the discussion:

I downloaded and watched a few of these videos and saw how Terri responds to touch, sight, and sound. This woman appears to behave similarly to adults and children with cerebral palsy. Some are high-functioning, others are not. I don't know what her actual intellectual powers may be or could be, but she responds to her name, obeys simple commands, and laughs and vocalizes. That's all some individuals with cerebral palsy will ever be able to do, yet they cannot legally be starved to death.

As for the whole legal issue:
If someone is severely injured so that their brain is deprived of oxgyen, resulting in brain damage...should the courts be allowed to legally end this person's life on the grounds that they are intellectually incapacitated? If they can't eat normally? If they are paralyzed? What if the person seeking their death is the one who inflicted the brain-damaging injuries in the first place? What if they had no proof, other than their word, that dying was actually the victim's wish?

I have visted nursing homes and homes for the severely disabled and have seen many, many people of all ages in states similar to Terri's. Many of them can't feed themselves or talk or take care of themselves. Her condition isn't all that unusual, in other words. The circumstances which brought about her condition are highly unusual, however. She is not so different than these many hundreds of other, similarly disabled people who likewise should not be starved to death.

On the subject of living wills:

My grandmother signed a living will after she suffered a minor stroke. Later, she had a major stroke, but the emergency room doctors didn't know about her wishes and she was "saved". For a while, her condition was wretched. Could not speak, feed herself, or move. Yet she lived. Should the doctors have corrected their mistake and withheld care so that she died, knowing for a fact that she had said she would not want to live "that way"?

Her children rallied and said that as long as she was still alive, she should be given every chance. With aggressive rehabilitation, she is now no worse off than many other similarly disabled people and she is still able to enjoy many things and give and receive love with all of her family and caregivers. Her survival has largely been a blessing to her and to us, in other words, in spite of the challenges her continued life has brought.

I would not give back these borrowed years for anything, even knowing that at the time, she may have wanted to die rather than live as a "burden" to her family.

Should my aunts and uncles have gotten a court order to legally starve Grandma to death when they had the chance? When the situation looked hopeless and she was at their mercy? After all, unlike Terri, her wishes were actually written down.

What about now, six years later?

666 posted on 03/17/2005 10:44:57 AM PST by lsee
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To: ORECON
In this case, Judge Greer was recently re-elected by a wide majority.

In the America I once knew majorities were not allowed to violate the inalienable rights of the minority.

You would do well to remember that Mr NRA.

706 posted on 03/17/2005 5:09:52 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: ORECON
My position is based on Conservativisim as follows:

A) State's rights - I don't want the Feds involved. Suddenly so called conservatives want the Feds involved in this Terri case.

B) Marriage institution. The husband is joined with the wife - if a court rules this a valid arrangement for this purpose, the husband not the parents have the right to decide. We conservatives need to remember what the sacred institution of marriage means in this regard. Suddenly so called conservatives are not so hot on the institution of marriage.

C) The court is what decides who is a valid doctor and what is a valid diagnosis based on Florida law. In this case the court ruled (and did so not in a vacuum) that the poor victim is in a vegetative state with no hope of recovery. So called conservatives want the legislature to act as a judiciary.

Lastly, my own personal view of when someone should be considered dead is based on my beleif that death happens when the soul departs the physical body. I consider a vegetative state to be one such condition. Her soul departed long ago leaving a body on automatic.

I view the Terri case and in fact all cases of vegitative status as if a car that was damaged, driving in circles without a driver - it keeps going in circles as fuel is added. Sometimes the car horn beeps giving the illusion of a driver is behind the wheel.

739 posted on 03/19/2005 12:12:15 AM PST by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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