Posted on 03/16/2005 6:57:14 PM PST by Bokababe
Thank you, Julia Gorin, for your honesty and courage.
Typo I meant.. the muslims are WORSE but the Serbs are no clean skins .
We fought that war on the wrong side, and clinton was a war criminal.
Sure, the Serbs were not lily white, but neither were any of the other parties. There was no excuse for intervening the way we did. It violated all the principles of just war, and it was directly contrary to our national interests as well as the people of Kosovo.
It's about time somebody stood up for Christians other than other Christians. Anti-Christian bigotry is growing much faster than anti-Semitism, EVEN IN THE U.S.A.
Actually yes, the Serbs did slaughter people, but its not the Muslims that were the targets. It was the Catholic Croats. There were towns where whole apartments were forced to evacuate and lined up and shot. I've seen the headstones at the cemetary, I've seen the bullet holes in the buildings. They did happen. I only saw Mostar, Hercegovina, and it was far from the worst. The one who explained all this lives in a tiny village about 20 miles away. His family still has to go to that town for a hospital, or other major city things.
I find it highly insulting that this person absolves Milosevic. Really he was into genocide, you can tell by the gravesites. 11 year olds, with their 3 year old siblings, and their 30 some year old mom and dad, all taken out in the middle of the night, and lined up and shot by Milosevic's army.
I have nothing against the Serb people, Milosevic ruled them with just as much of an iron fist as anyone, but to say we chose the wrong side, well then we chose wrong in WWII.
The Christians were being killed, and thankfully the US did come to the rescue and by intervening when they did, they stopped the genocide.
And nowhere does it say that they (Jews) did. It does, however, acknowledge the wrongs that the Serbs have themselves admitted to.
sure the muslims are just as bad but the Serbs are no clean skins .
And what they have done wrong has been admitted to by them. It is a fact that Serbia is the most ethnically diverese nation in the former Yugoslavia.
They were never a civilized western nation .
Excuse me? Where do get that ridiculous idea from? Serbia is and was the most civilized nation of all of the former Yugoslavia. I think you need to do some research regarding Serbia because this last part of your post is sheer and utter nonsense.
Really? So where are all the bodies we were told would be dug up by the thousands? Propaganda. Pinochet did 1,000 times worse and we didnt carpet-bomb Chile.
(He that hath an ear,....let him 'hear'.)
(I have NO further comment at this time.)
In 1995, Croatian forces launched a massive offensive against the Krajina Serbs. The offensive led to approximately 14,000 Serb civilians being killed and about 300,000 Serb refugees. The lightning attack included attacks against civilians, namely burning Serb homes, looting Serb property, and killing and mutilating Serb civilians, especially the elderly.
Ever heard about "Jasenovac"...???....That's the place, where your Catholic Croats killed 3/4 of my familie, because they were Jewish...
ooohhh...yeah, the Serbs are Christians too...and were fighting side by side with the Americans during WWII...
Mostar was the scene of YEARS of Croat-MUSLIM fighting. The Serbs were kicked out by June 1992 (within 2 months). A few months later the Croats and Muslims communities divided, with the Croats on the west bank of a river and the Muslims on the east. The Croats then pulverized the eastern side and devastated it much worse than Sarajevo, according to those who've been there. Yet, it received little media attention. The Croats were the ones who blew up Mostar's famous bridge - but I bet they didn't tell you that.
I'd like to you to give the names, dates of death and towns where you say the children were killed, because they may have been killed in places after the Serbs were gone and when the Croat-Muslim war was happening.
The Croat "Christian" clergy was behind the most sadistic, brutal killings of WWII. They had camps where they starved children to death. The Croat Catholic clergy war criminals were smuggled out, after WWII, in the ratlines.
1) We did choose the wrong side in WWII, by the way, the Allied decision to support Tito in Yugoslavia was grave mistake.
2) Serbs are Christians, your post implies that they are not and that Catholics somehow are the only ones with the credentials to claim sole proprietorship of Christianity. This is simply wrong.
Exactly correct.
We are complicit in establishing an islamist state in Europe. A state that slaughters Christians.
And your point is? What?
I'll tell you that the SERBIAN nation was civilized enough to be just about the ONLY nation in Europe who would accept refugees from Russia after the Bolshveik Revolution (my own family included).
SERBIA was also civilized enough to actually be an ALLY of the USA during WWII and actually fought against the Nazis as opposed to the other nations who fought alongside them.
I don't think you know very much about the Serbian nation other than the propoganda that has been told to you by a biased media and severely distorted "facts" which years later are proving to be false accusations that were propped up in order to justify an illegal bombing campaign.
The Serbs definitely made their fair share of mistakes and the Serbian military and paramilitary forces no doubt committed crimes. Those crimes have been acknowledged by the Serbs and people are paying the price and serving their time or are on trial for it.
What fails to be acknowledged for the most part are the crimes committed by the Croats, Bosnian Muslims and most of all the Albanians (who have been trying to take over Kosovo for well over Kosovo-Metohija for centuries).
Imagine that Mexicans, who had mostly entered the country illegally and settled in and around the Alamo, decided that they wanted to have their own government and autonomy there since they had come to outnumber the Americans. Imagine that they started killing Americans who did still live there - randomly. Imagine that they refused to speak the laguage of the American government. The laguage our Declaration of Independece and Constitution and Bill of Rights was written in; English. Imagine that these people demanded that they have separate schools for them in Mexican Spanish. Imagine they started their own "shadow" governmentand refused to obey the laws of the USA. Imagine they started killing police officers when the police were attempting to do their job and uphold the law?
Do you think anyone in their right mind who lived there would sit still for this? Imagine that the Mexicans decided to burn down a few very old churches and while at it defaced the icons and frescoes inside - scratching out the eyes of the Holy Virgin or the depiction of Jesus Christ. Imagine they carved their "tag" into the walls of the burnt out ruins of the churches so everyone would know who had committed the crime.
Now imagine that the President of the USA came to town and told you that he would no longer stand for this. Imagine he came to the Alamo - where your ancestors had fought a fierce battle long ago and imagine he told you that he would protect you and that you no longer had to live in fear. What would you expect the people to do? Of COURSE they wouldcheer him on and support him. They were trying to protect their homes and their homeland from people who were, and had been for a long time, trying to drive them out. Of course they woudl retaliate at attacks made on them and of course they would do what they could to defend the land that had been their "holy land" for centuries.
This is basically the truth about Kosovo. It didn't just happen overnight. The Serbs didn't just decide that they didn't like the ALbanians and decide to start killing them one day. They were provoked and had been provoked for a very long time. They were pushed and pushed back harder and somehow they are criminalized for it.
Well gee, as it turns out it is the KLA which is the terrorist organization with ties to al Quaida and it is the Albanian Mafia which runs the most heroin into Europe. And let's not forget that it's the ALbanian mafia and the KLA who are the biggest traffickers of Eastern European women - forcing them into prostitution and practical slavery. Yep - the poor Albanians...the ones we SHOULD have been bombing back in 1998. As an Army Captain I met from Ft. Stewart, GA - who was on his way back to Kosovo told me: "We bombed the wrong side in Kosovo."
You mean the bodies that we've dug up by the, well, thousands? LIke the 102,000 in Bosnia and the 8,252 dead and missing in Kosovo?
Pinochet did 1,000 times worse
Uh, no. Not even close. Pinochet is held responsible for 3,197 unlawful deaths or disappearances during his 17 years in power. And he didn't bother his neighbors. Serb poster-boy Slobodan Milosevic fought four wars with resultant deaths in six figures & refugees in seven figures. And he played that tune in about half the time that Pinochet was in power. Educated in a communist country, Montag?
and we didnt carpet-bomb Chile.
And we didn't "carpet bomb" Serbia either. If we really wanted to kill Serb civilians or just didn't care about civilian casulties we sure as heck would have managed to hit more than 500 of them.
Good people the Serbs. Very proud and strong.
Then why did they destroy hundreds of Catholic Christian churches, much more than what the Albanians have done in Kosovo? 'splain that, deej?
and were fighting side by side with the Americans during WWII...
Sometimes. And sometimes side by side with the Nazis.
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