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A Jewish Albatross: The Serbs
Front Page Magazine ^ | 3/16/05 | Julia Gorin

Posted on 03/16/2005 6:57:14 PM PST by Bokababe

A Jewish Albatross: The Serbs

By Julia Gorin

FrontPageMagazine.com | March 16, 2005

Imagine that a country is fighting domestic terrorism by Muslim militants who are carrying out attacks against police, government officials and citizens in a bid to carve out their own state, hoping to provoke a response from the government that will alarm the international community. Imagine that the world duly intervenes, and a peacekeeping force is sent in, paralyzing the nation’s ability to defend itself, and effectively doing the militants’ bidding even as attacks against the non-Muslim population continue. Finally, imagine the intervening internationals severing this nation’s Jerusalem from it and handing it to the provocateurs.

It sounds like a worst-case scenario for the Israeli people, but it is a fate that actually befell the Serbian people, who this year may lose Kosovo as the deadline approaches for determining the status of the province, where Christian churches, monasteries and homes were burned to the ground in pogroms in March of last year. They will lose Kosovo to Albanian Muslims, whose fates are now entirely in the hands of the international Islamist factions with whom they, and we, cast their lot.

As a reprisal of last March looms on the horizon (Kosovo Prime Minister Ramush Haradinaj stepped down when he was indicted for war crimes last week, and the UN Mission in Kosovo was promptly bombed), the reticence about butchered Serbian octogenarians, children and other civilians--alternating with dismissal of these atrocities, even six years later, as “revenge killings”--intimates that terrorized Serbs are an even bigger yawn than terrorized Israelis. That’s why I am calling upon my fellow Jews to break their own conspicuous silence.

In the six years since our bizarre bombing of Belgrade to prevent a genocide that forensics turned up empty (a memo that apparently made it only to European and Canadian presses, leaving a gaping hole in our national dialogue), the sense of something not being said grows palpable. With every explosive report coming from the Balkans--Islamic charities getting busted as terror-funding fronts, terrorist cells being uncovered in Bosnia and Kosovo, explosions on Pristina’s Bill Clinton Avenue, then last year’s coordinated Albanian riots that injured 900, killed 19 Serbs and tried to drive out what was left of Kosovo’s non-Albanian population--more and more people have started to think it, but who has the poor taste to say it?

After all, we were told that a genocide was in progress. We were told of mass graves. A hundred thousand killed and 800,000 displaced, Bill Clinton said.

Soon after the U.S.-led NATO invasion, the 100,000 figure turned out to be closer to 2,000 and included armed Albanian and Serb fighters. “No Bodies at Rumored Grave Site in Kosovo,” read a Reuters headline as early as October ’99, above an article reporting the results of an excavation by international war crimes investigators to check the rumors that Serbs had hidden up to 700 Albanian bodies in a lead and zinc mine. Other “mass graves” turned up empty or hardly massive, and the Racak massacre, the feather that was used to break the NATO camel’s back, turned out to have been staged, according to three forensics teams sent in to investigate--but only after the first team, headed by Finland’s Helena Ranta, initially gave a thumbs-up to “massacre” so that the bombing campaign could commence. (Two years and thousands of lives later, Ranta’s final report confirmed the opposite conclusion.)

Sold on a Holocaust scenario, the American people couldn’t have known what sinister deal they’d signed on to. But my fellow Jews should have smelled a rat. And to my profound disappointment, in the face of a stunning parallel to the Palestinian propaganda war that Jews themselves struggle with, for the most part they have been silent since.

As journalists fanned the early flames of Serb demonization in Bosnia, starting with a widely circulated 1992 photo of a Serb-run “death camp” for Bosnian Muslims that turned out to have been taken from the inside of a fenced storage area, and showed refugees who had escaped the fighting and were free to go at any time, it should have raised some red flags among my tribe--even if only after the fact. After all, what Jew can forget the NY Times photo from a 2000 riot in Jerusalem, showing an Israeli soldier standing over a bloody young man—the caption identifying the scene as an Israeli policeman and a Palestinian? It subsequently came to bear that the bloody “Palestinian” was a Chicago Yeshiva student who had just been beaten by Palestinians. One need only say the word “Jenin” to a Jew for him to recall the vision of Palestinians digging up old graves to increase the body count there.

But just as Palestinians have been a step ahead of Israelis when it comes to PR, so were Balkan Muslims a step ahead of Serb Christians. Such that when, early on, it came to winning American-Jewish empathy, the Albanian Kosovars were victorious over the Serbs.

A 1994 article in a monthly Jewish publication called “Midstream,” which caught on early, cites an interview between a French journalist named Jacques Merlino and James Harff, of the D.C.-based PR firm Ruder & Finn, which was representing Croatia, Bosnia and the Kosovo Liberation Army. After boasting about having set up meetings between Bosnian officials and Al Gore, George Mitchell, Bob Dole and other politicians, Harff described the achievement he was most proud of: “To have managed to put Jewish opinion on our side…At the beginning of August 1992, ‘New York Newsday’ came out with the affair of [Serb] concentration camps. We jumped at the opportunity immediately. We outwitted three big Jewish organizations--B'nai B'rith, Anti-Defamation League, the American Jewish Committee, and the American Jewish Congress. We suggested to them to publish an advertisement in the ‘New York Times’ and to organize demonstrations outside the United Nations. That was a tremendous coup. When the Jewish organizations entered the game on the side of the Bosnians, we could promptly equate the Serbs with the Nazis in the public mind.”

It was a sneak PR attack, and the Serbs were out-sassed. If anyone should have looked deeper into the story being peddled, it was the Jewish community—who ask that people do their homework before making rash judgments about Israeli operations in the Palestinian territories and siding with the visibly more pathetic side. But the magic “genocide” wand was waved, and organized Jewry fell into its autopilot never-again trance.

It’s all the more tragic considering the historical relationship between Jews and Serbs, both of whom were persecuted by the Nazis’ Croatian, Bosnian and Albanian brigades during WWII. In 1999, under pressure from the U.S. and amid protest from Israelis who knew better, Israel joined NATO’s war against Yugoslavia, leaving Serbs stunned and angry in an era when most of Europe was already being engulfed by a new wave anti-Semitism. Today, whatever Jews remained in Kosovo before our intervention have been cleansed right along with the Serbs.

And yet last March 18th, the second day of renewed Serb cleansing, the House of Representatives was treated to the following resolution on Kosovo by Congressman Eliot Engel (D, NY), who chairs the Albanian Issues Caucus: “When there is no resolution of the final status, the people in a country become restless…Right now there is rampant unemployment. Right now there is very little hope for a future…Self-determination and, ultimately, independence for the people of Kosovo is the only solution…What we have seen…is this ridiculous plan called standards before status…We put forward benchmarks and we tell the people of Kosovo they have to achieve these benchmarks before we can even look at a resolution and at self-determination.”

The speech easily could be mistaken for one that makes the case for immediate Palestinian statehood as a way to end “understandable” violence against Israelis. The irony of it coming from a pro-Israel Jewish congressman is too thick for comment, and yet it got thicker when in his closing thoughts Engel employed the penultimate moral-equivalence phrase that Jews find so maddening in reference to Israel: “The ethnic violence which happened yesterday is a tragic undertaking, a tragic tragedy, and I must call on both sides to stop the violence.”

Especially in light of the millions of Christians who today stand with Israel as it fights for the right to defend itself, too few Jews have stood up for the Serb Christians. No, the Serbs are not the Jews. Not every nation, when provoked, plays as tenderly as Israel, whose teen soldiers risk their lives going door to door to pluck the one or two actual terrorists out of a household of complicit family members.

A 2000 documentary on England’s BBC2 showed an interview with KLA leader Hashim Thaci, in which he admitted, "We knew full well that any armed action we undertook would trigger a ruthless retaliation by Serbs against our people. We knew we were endangering civilian lives, too, a great number of lives." There was also a sound bite from a Kosovo Albanian negotiator named Doug Gorani: "The more civilians were killed, the chances of international intervention became bigger, and the KLA of course realized that."

Had we not been looking for mini Holocausts under every bed, had we not responded like Pavlovian dogs when hearing that a modern-day Holocaust was under way in Europe’s underbelly, we could have seen through the hoax, as well as what it portended for Israel.

Instead, cover articles ran in Jewish newspapers across America, such as the one in the Jewish Journal of Greater Los Angeles that began, "With echoes of the Holocaust and pogroms haunting a collective conscience, the Jewish community in Los Angeles has mobilized forces to come to the aid of Kosovar refugees left homeless and hungry by Serbian President Slobodan Milosevic." A full-page ad read: "OUR HELPING HAND EXTENDS ALL THE WAY TO KOSOVO," and the small print informed readers that the Jewish Federation of Los Angeles had made a donation of $50,000 to the Kosovo Refugee Relief Fund of the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee.

Only when turning to the letters page did one encounter a dissenting voice. It belonged to self-described researcher and writer Paul Stonehill, who compared the one-sided press coverage to that directed against Israel: “I am sad that because of our misguided policy yet another radical Moslem state will appear in Europe. I am sad that the Serbs, who stood up to the Nazis like very few other people did during the war are bombed by the grandchildren of the Allies. And I am ashamed that some Jews have such selective memory."

In 1999 this selective memory afflicted both the ADL’s Abe Foxman (“We’re glad that we’re doing now what we weren’t doing then [WWII]”), and Elie Wiesel, who approved of bombing Yugoslavia when instead the 1941 words of Adolf Hitler should have been echoing through his head: "As soon as sufficient forces are available and the weather allows, the ground installations of the Yugoslav Air Force and the City of Belgrade will be destroyed from the air by continual day and night bombardment. When that is completed we will subdue Yugoslavia."

Sure enough, within weeks of our offensive, Prince Khaled Bin Sultan, commander of the allied Saudi troops during the first Gulf War, called on NATO and the U.S. to extend its “honorable actions” in Kosovo to Palestine. A few years later, when Kofi Annan sent Helena Ranta to look for evidence of massacre in Jenin, karma came calling. Israel's external adviser on the Jenin inquiry, Cambridge University international legal expert Daniel Bethlehem, warned then, "If the committee's findings uphold the allegations against Israel--even on poor reasoning--this…may make it impossible for Israel to resist calls for an international force, the immediate establishment of a Palestinian state and the prosecution of individuals said to have committed the alleged acts."

When, during Wesley Clark’s clumsy yet merciless 78-day bombardment of the Orthodox Christian Serbs, which didn’t break even for Easter (the way our other bombardments have for Ramadan), the possibility of a precedent for Israel was made clear to then Foreign Minister Ariel Sharon by an Italian ambassador, he asked American Jewish leaders to call for an end to the bombardment against Yugoslavia, citing that the KLA was backed by Iran-backed terror outfits and that an independent Kosovo would be a gateway for the spread of terror throughout Europe.

Whether such an organized Jewish voice emerged is unclear; if it did, it was done quietly, to save face. What has begun to take form since is a humanitarian concern for the remaining Serbs of Kosovo. But its language has been meticulously woven, so as not to backpedal too obviously on our overzealous enforcement of a cheap morality.

But we Jews at least should be trying to set the record straight. Though they were late in coming, entire organizations are devoted to debunking the Muslim-spun mythology against Israel that so many in the media dutifully report. The Serbs have no such face to the outside world, and so they do not get their slice of human sympathy. Nor did the Serbs think to buy clout in the halls of power via lobbyists in the U.S. Congress, where the Albanians, Croatians and Bosnians have been buying influence for decades, from the likes of Bob Dole, John McCain, Joe Lieberman, Tom Lantos, Joe Biden, Jesse Helms and Benjamin Gillman, to name just a few. Like the Israelis had for a long time, the Serbs--busy fighting radicals--assumed the ability of the world to see right from wrong, up from down, truth from lie, and didn’t realize they were supposed to be fighting a simultaneous image war. Today, amid a sustained media blackout on the subject of our little 1999 war that has been quietly backfiring and still offers no hint of an exit strategy, Serbian-Americans and others who understand our miscalculation are left feverishly writing letters to editors in response to the many articles that get the Balkans wrong, in a futile attempt to inform the public.

Today, Serbia is the only remaining pocket of multi-ethnicity in the Balkans--where Serbs, gypsies, Jews, Albanian and other Muslims, along with 22 other nationalities still coexist. In fact, when trouble started, many Albanians fled to Belgrade--just as Bosnian Muslims had before them. It’s not unlike the situation of that “racist” state of the Middle East, Israel, with its one million Arab citizens standing in contrast to the surrounding Jew-cleansed Arab lands.

The trial of Slobodan Milosevic at the Hague, meanwhile, was billed as no less than Nuremberg 2. Yet we hear virtually nothing about it. Where are the day-to-day reports of this momentous historical event, dispatches from which should have Americans lining up at the newsstands and scouring their papers for the latest developments? And wouldn’t the biggest trial since Nuremberg at least warrant some punditry?

When one considers also that, more than a year into the trial, the court finally relented from its own one-sidedness and decided it would start trying non-Serbs for war crimes against Serbs as well, the Nuremberg analogy falls apart like a bad joke. How many Jews do we recall being prosecuted at the Nuremberg Trials? And as the Chicago Tribune pointed out on the first anniversary of Milosevic’s trial, Nuremberg took only 11 months “to try, convict, sentence and hang 10 of Adolf Hitler’s top lieutenants.” The Milosevic trial is now in its fourth year.

If, as we were told, there was systematic rape by Serbs, where are the resulting children? Or evidence of mass abortions? Jewish women had Nazi babies, and at Nuremberg there was plenty of testimony and plenty of evidence. So far at the Hague, there has been only testimony (much of which falls apart under cross-examination), and virtually no evidence. Such that the court has had to redefine the very word “genocide”--to at least make it fit what happened in Bosnia after it was unable to make it fit Kosovo. (“War crimes case widens ‘genocide,’” BBC.com, April 19, 2004). Hence we arrive at a state of affairs wherein the UN declares 70,000 dead men, women and children in Darfur to not be genocide, but 7,000 dead Bosnian males in the UN “safe haven” Srebrenica--used as a staging ground for attacks on Serbs--is.

While Byzantine art exhibits at New York museums were humming last year, 900-year-old Serb churches, cathedrals and monasteries in Kosovo were being systematically bombed, burned, looted, and urinated on in a single week. The pogroms had been set off by a rumor, later confirmed false by NATO, that Serbs had drowned some Albanian youths. By the end of March, 366 homes and 41 churches were destroyed, according to an AP report, which quoted 23 year-old Ruzhdi Krasniqi, who “smoked a cigarette as he assessed the damage and said he felt ‘OK’ about [it]. ‘I don't want the Serbs to return here,’ he said. ‘They've got no place here.’”

In response to the violence, Kosovo President Ibrahim Rugova told an Italian newspaper, "Everyone realizes by now that it is clear that independence from Serbia is vital for Kosovo and its inhabitants."

Though he is a moderate and has had at least two attempts on his life because of it, Rugova seems to have followed the Arafat model: Accept the infidel’s (the West’s) help for as long as it moves you closer to your goal. When you hit the inevitable brick wall with the infidel and he ceases to further your agenda, revert to traditional methods and allow violence to engulf the region, turning your guns against the helpful infidel if necessary. Then propose independence as the only possible solution.

Independence, of course, would mean withdrawing UN peacekeepers. As Balkan-based journalist Chris Deliso wrote last year for BalkanAnalysis.com, “Even though they are inept…the UN contingents cannot be replaced by local enforcers without serious repercussions for Europe and America. With no foreign eyes and ears on the ground, pretty much anything can happen….terrorists abroad look for safe havens in states with little or no central control…Kosovo--with its porous borders, fundamentalist minority, criminal underbelly and proximity to the rest of Europe--is a perfect hiding place.” He concludes, “With successes like that, who needs failures?”

But Americans don’t see how Kosovo relates to them. Until 1999, who had ever even heard of a Serb? It was neither an enemy nor a significant international player. So this people and what happened to their country do not occupy any coherent place in the American psyche.

Without being innocent, a people can still be scapegoated and a falsified history go down in the books. Serbs have apologized repeatedly for the heavy hand that Belgrade wielded in responding to the ethnic cleansing of Serbs in Kosovo and Bosnia. They have admitted they are not innocent, while the instigators themselves admit nothing, continue crying out against past Serb crimes, and kill with abandon.

That the Serbs haven’t been innocent cannot continue to be used to mischaracterize the Balkan conflicts and our actions there. Starting with a mistaken premise and working backwards to prove it, then devolving into moral equivalence when it doesn’t work must stop. A reevaluation must begin. Whether it does or not, history’s reckoning will come, such that after an air war against a fictitious enemy, we may have to fight a ground war against the real one.

The world stood by while one-third of its Jews were exterminated last century. This century, the Jews stand by idly with the world as a people’s history is erased. Serbia is reviled, for like Israel, it had the poor taste to not wait for 9/11 to start the resistance against a common enemy.

That’s why, in sounding the call for Serb rehabilitation, I apply a double standard to my fellow Jews. They should be used to it. The Serbs are.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: balkans; jewish; juliagorin; kosovo; nato; serb; serbs
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1 posted on 03/16/2005 6:57:15 PM PST by Bokababe
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To: Bokababe
This is pure propaganda . Jews didn't ever slaughter civilians like the Serbs did . sure the muslims are just as bad but the Serbs are no clean skins . They were never a civilized western nation .
2 posted on 03/16/2005 7:08:28 PM PST by newfarm4000n (God Bless America and God Bless Freedom)
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To: Bokababe

Thank you, Julia Gorin, for your honesty and courage.


3 posted on 03/16/2005 7:10:15 PM PST by Vladika
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To: Bokababe

Typo I meant.. the muslims are WORSE but the Serbs are no clean skins .


4 posted on 03/16/2005 7:11:21 PM PST by newfarm4000n (God Bless America and God Bless Freedom)
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To: Bokababe

We fought that war on the wrong side, and clinton was a war criminal.

Sure, the Serbs were not lily white, but neither were any of the other parties. There was no excuse for intervening the way we did. It violated all the principles of just war, and it was directly contrary to our national interests as well as the people of Kosovo.


5 posted on 03/16/2005 7:23:55 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Bokababe

It's about time somebody stood up for Christians other than other Christians. Anti-Christian bigotry is growing much faster than anti-Semitism, EVEN IN THE U.S.A.


6 posted on 03/16/2005 7:34:01 PM PST by Iam1ru1-2
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To: newfarm4000n
Please refrain from using emotional conjecture, you're becoming no different than any other bomb throwing propagandist. Serbs simply slaughter people, is that it?
7 posted on 03/16/2005 7:51:54 PM PST by montyspython
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To: montyspython; Iam1ru1-2; Cicero

Actually yes, the Serbs did slaughter people, but its not the Muslims that were the targets. It was the Catholic Croats. There were towns where whole apartments were forced to evacuate and lined up and shot. I've seen the headstones at the cemetary, I've seen the bullet holes in the buildings. They did happen. I only saw Mostar, Hercegovina, and it was far from the worst. The one who explained all this lives in a tiny village about 20 miles away. His family still has to go to that town for a hospital, or other major city things.

I find it highly insulting that this person absolves Milosevic. Really he was into genocide, you can tell by the gravesites. 11 year olds, with their 3 year old siblings, and their 30 some year old mom and dad, all taken out in the middle of the night, and lined up and shot by Milosevic's army.

I have nothing against the Serb people, Milosevic ruled them with just as much of an iron fist as anyone, but to say we chose the wrong side, well then we chose wrong in WWII.

The Christians were being killed, and thankfully the US did come to the rescue and by intervening when they did, they stopped the genocide.


8 posted on 03/16/2005 8:30:17 PM PST by GopherGOPer
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To: newfarm4000n
This is pure propaganda . Jews didn't ever slaughter civilians like the Serbs did .

And nowhere does it say that they (Jews) did. It does, however, acknowledge the wrongs that the Serbs have themselves admitted to.

sure the muslims are just as bad but the Serbs are no clean skins .

And what they have done wrong has been admitted to by them. It is a fact that Serbia is the most ethnically diverese nation in the former Yugoslavia.

They were never a civilized western nation .

Excuse me? Where do get that ridiculous idea from? Serbia is and was the most civilized nation of all of the former Yugoslavia. I think you need to do some research regarding Serbia because this last part of your post is sheer and utter nonsense.

9 posted on 03/16/2005 8:31:38 PM PST by blinachka (Vechnaya Pamyat Daddy... xoxo)
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To: newfarm4000n
This is pure propaganda . Jews didn't ever slaughter civilians like the Serbs did

Really? So where are all the bodies we were told would be dug up by the thousands? Propaganda. Pinochet did 1,000 times worse and we didnt carpet-bomb Chile.

10 posted on 03/16/2005 8:48:06 PM PST by montag813
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To: Bokababe; All
.......In the 'Balkans'.......its 'all' about the 'music'.

(He that hath an ear,....let him 'hear'.)

(I have NO further comment at this time.)

11 posted on 03/16/2005 8:55:48 PM PST by maestro
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To: GopherGOPer
Actually yes, the Serbs did slaughter people, but its not the Muslims that were the targets. It was the Catholic Croats.

In 1995, Croatian forces launched a massive offensive against the Krajina Serbs. The offensive led to approximately 14,000 Serb civilians being killed and about 300,000 Serb refugees. The lightning attack included attacks against civilians, namely burning Serb homes, looting Serb property, and killing and mutilating Serb civilians, especially the elderly.

Ever heard about "Jasenovac"...???....That's the place, where your Catholic Croats killed 3/4 of my familie, because they were Jewish...

ooohhh...yeah, the Serbs are Christians too...and were fighting side by side with the Americans during WWII...

12 posted on 03/16/2005 11:33:01 PM PST by dj_animal_2000
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To: GopherGOPer
I only saw Mostar, Hercegovina, and it was far from the worst. The one who explained all this lives in a tiny village about 20 miles away.

Mostar was the scene of YEARS of Croat-MUSLIM fighting. The Serbs were kicked out by June 1992 (within 2 months). A few months later the Croats and Muslims communities divided, with the Croats on the west bank of a river and the Muslims on the east. The Croats then pulverized the eastern side and devastated it much worse than Sarajevo, according to those who've been there. Yet, it received little media attention. The Croats were the ones who blew up Mostar's famous bridge - but I bet they didn't tell you that.

I'd like to you to give the names, dates of death and towns where you say the children were killed, because they may have been killed in places after the Serbs were gone and when the Croat-Muslim war was happening.

The Croat "Christian" clergy was behind the most sadistic, brutal killings of WWII. They had camps where they starved children to death. The Croat Catholic clergy war criminals were smuggled out, after WWII, in the ratlines.

13 posted on 03/17/2005 5:17:48 AM PST by joan
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To: GopherGOPer
Your facts need to be checked thoroughly, Mostar was the scene of Muslim-Croat fighting, no Serbs. Croats were hammered in the press for destroying the bridge at Mostar.

1) We did choose the wrong side in WWII, by the way, the Allied decision to support Tito in Yugoslavia was grave mistake.

2) Serbs are Christians, your post implies that they are not and that Catholics somehow are the only ones with the credentials to claim sole proprietorship of Christianity. This is simply wrong.

14 posted on 03/17/2005 7:27:51 AM PST by montyspython
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To: Cicero
"We fought that war on the wrong side, and clinton was a war criminal. "

Exactly correct.

We are complicit in establishing an islamist state in Europe. A state that slaughters Christians.

15 posted on 03/17/2005 7:58:54 AM PST by MonroeDNA (Handshakes can cause the spread of disease. Be considerate--sniff my butt.)
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To: blinachka
They were never a civilized western nation .

Excuse me? Where do get that ridiculous idea from? Serbia is and was the most civilized nation of all of the former Yugoslavia. I think you need to do some research regarding Serbia because this last part of your post is sheer and utter nonsense.


The most civilized part of a Eastern Europe socialist nation . Not a big achievement .My point exactly.
16 posted on 03/17/2005 7:00:22 PM PST by newfarm4000n (God Bless America and God Bless Freedom)
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To: newfarm4000n
The most civilized part of a Eastern Europe socialist nation . Not a big achievement .My point exactly.

And your point is? What?

I'll tell you that the SERBIAN nation was civilized enough to be just about the ONLY nation in Europe who would accept refugees from Russia after the Bolshveik Revolution (my own family included).

SERBIA was also civilized enough to actually be an ALLY of the USA during WWII and actually fought against the Nazis as opposed to the other nations who fought alongside them.

I don't think you know very much about the Serbian nation other than the propoganda that has been told to you by a biased media and severely distorted "facts" which years later are proving to be false accusations that were propped up in order to justify an illegal bombing campaign.

The Serbs definitely made their fair share of mistakes and the Serbian military and paramilitary forces no doubt committed crimes. Those crimes have been acknowledged by the Serbs and people are paying the price and serving their time or are on trial for it.

What fails to be acknowledged for the most part are the crimes committed by the Croats, Bosnian Muslims and most of all the Albanians (who have been trying to take over Kosovo for well over Kosovo-Metohija for centuries).

Imagine that Mexicans, who had mostly entered the country illegally and settled in and around the Alamo, decided that they wanted to have their own government and autonomy there since they had come to outnumber the Americans. Imagine that they started killing Americans who did still live there - randomly. Imagine that they refused to speak the laguage of the American government. The laguage our Declaration of Independece and Constitution and Bill of Rights was written in; English. Imagine that these people demanded that they have separate schools for them in Mexican Spanish. Imagine they started their own "shadow" governmentand refused to obey the laws of the USA. Imagine they started killing police officers when the police were attempting to do their job and uphold the law?

Do you think anyone in their right mind who lived there would sit still for this? Imagine that the Mexicans decided to burn down a few very old churches and while at it defaced the icons and frescoes inside - scratching out the eyes of the Holy Virgin or the depiction of Jesus Christ. Imagine they carved their "tag" into the walls of the burnt out ruins of the churches so everyone would know who had committed the crime.

Now imagine that the President of the USA came to town and told you that he would no longer stand for this. Imagine he came to the Alamo - where your ancestors had fought a fierce battle long ago and imagine he told you that he would protect you and that you no longer had to live in fear. What would you expect the people to do? Of COURSE they wouldcheer him on and support him. They were trying to protect their homes and their homeland from people who were, and had been for a long time, trying to drive them out. Of course they woudl retaliate at attacks made on them and of course they would do what they could to defend the land that had been their "holy land" for centuries.

This is basically the truth about Kosovo. It didn't just happen overnight. The Serbs didn't just decide that they didn't like the ALbanians and decide to start killing them one day. They were provoked and had been provoked for a very long time. They were pushed and pushed back harder and somehow they are criminalized for it.

Well gee, as it turns out it is the KLA which is the terrorist organization with ties to al Quaida and it is the Albanian Mafia which runs the most heroin into Europe. And let's not forget that it's the ALbanian mafia and the KLA who are the biggest traffickers of Eastern European women - forcing them into prostitution and practical slavery. Yep - the poor Albanians...the ones we SHOULD have been bombing back in 1998. As an Army Captain I met from Ft. Stewart, GA - who was on his way back to Kosovo told me: "We bombed the wrong side in Kosovo."

17 posted on 03/17/2005 7:47:43 PM PST by blinachka (Vechnaya Pamyat Daddy... xoxo)
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To: montag813
So where are all the bodies we were told would be dug up by the thousands?

You mean the bodies that we've dug up by the, well, thousands? LIke the 102,000 in Bosnia and the 8,252 dead and missing in Kosovo?

Pinochet did 1,000 times worse

Uh, no. Not even close. Pinochet is held responsible for 3,197 unlawful deaths or disappearances during his 17 years in power. And he didn't bother his neighbors. Serb poster-boy Slobodan Milosevic fought four wars with resultant deaths in six figures & refugees in seven figures. And he played that tune in about half the time that Pinochet was in power. Educated in a communist country, Montag?

and we didnt carpet-bomb Chile.

And we didn't "carpet bomb" Serbia either. If we really wanted to kill Serb civilians or just didn't care about civilian casulties we sure as heck would have managed to hit more than 500 of them.

18 posted on 03/17/2005 7:55:54 PM PST by mark502inf
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To: Bokababe

Good people the Serbs. Very proud and strong.


19 posted on 03/17/2005 7:56:45 PM PST by Red Sea Swimmer (Tisha5765Bav)
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To: dj_animal_2000
ooohhh...yeah, the Serbs are Christians too...

Then why did they destroy hundreds of Catholic Christian churches, much more than what the Albanians have done in Kosovo? 'splain that, deej?

and were fighting side by side with the Americans during WWII...

Sometimes. And sometimes side by side with the Nazis.

20 posted on 03/17/2005 8:12:07 PM PST by mark502inf
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