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Jeb has just given Whittemore the green light to give the red light.

Terri has one hope left: the Sovereign People.

What better crime to be arrested for than giving water to the thirsty?

Unless People Power overcomes at the hospice in Tampa today, it looks like God is letting another victim die for the sins of others.

Messianic Jew Richard Wurmbrand ("Where Christ is Still Tortured", et al.) would say, "How does God fare when his children are still being cruelly killed?"

1 posted on 03/24/2005 10:50:17 PM PST by Messianic Jews Net
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Why do politicians seek election to office if they are going to hand responsibility for legislating to unelected judges?

One of the great mysteries of our time.


2 posted on 03/24/2005 10:52:35 PM PST by Aussie Dasher (Stop Hillary - PEGGY NOONAN '08)
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I'm sick of hearing Dems claim that Republican are "playing politics with what should be a family issue." Republicans are acting at the request of the family. They are responding to their constituents who care deeply about this issue.


3 posted on 03/24/2005 10:56:02 PM PST by Callahan
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I think it's about all we could expect of Governor Bush. Sadly, I think we're learning some lessons the hard way. The first one is that we have to be careful who we put forward, not just in terms of their beliefs, but in terms of their courage. The truth is Jeb could do something, but he could face hell from the State Senate. He could face hell from the liberals and even big brother. Remember, Roy Moore stood up to the judges and look what happened to him! I guess the thought is, "better a live coward than a dead hero."


4 posted on 03/24/2005 10:56:26 PM PST by Keyes2000mt (http://adamsweb.us/blog Conservative Truth for Idaho)
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Indite Michael Schiavo for murder one!


9 posted on 03/24/2005 11:02:15 PM PST by Big Guy and Rusty 99 (Watch out for bears, to them you are spaghetti dinner)
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Basically I guess the judge is above the law at least according to Jeb. He has stopped an agency from performing a legal duty that is required of them to do. It is sad when a judge can intimidate a Governor, a President and a state agency and have them stand by helpless while they commit state sanctioned murder.


14 posted on 03/24/2005 11:19:27 PM PST by MSCASEY (Our God is an Awesome God!)
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>i> I've consistently said that I can't go beyond what my powers are and I'm not going to do it.

An idiot and a coward all rolled up into one package. It's shameful being a Republican at times like this.
18 posted on 03/24/2005 11:21:25 PM PST by farmer18th ("The fool says in his heart there is no God.")
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Terri would have died several years if it weren't for Jeb's work. He's done his best.


26 posted on 03/24/2005 11:29:24 PM PST by JohnBDay
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First of all I do not believe it is not possible to go in and get Terri Schindler, that's rubbish. But for the sake of argument, let's say it's TRUE.

Why doesn't Jeb take some members of Florida Law Enforcement and/or the National Guard with him and a MEDICAL TEAM, secure the premises and go to hospice, reinsert the tube and administer nourishment to Terri. Leave Law Enforcement both outside and inside hospice and outside and inside Terri's room. When her condition stabilizes, REMOVE her.

33 posted on 03/24/2005 11:33:40 PM PST by TAdams8591 (The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
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Here's my link about this that has the Florida Constitution.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1370114/posts?q=1&&page=1

43 posted on 03/25/2005 12:02:15 AM PST by pulaskibush
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Jeb: "I have a duty to uphold the law and I have been very consistent about that."

Judge's opinions ARE NOT LAW. They are given the EFFECT OF LAW only by executive enforcement. No enforcement - no effect of law. Judge's opinions are so routinely enforced - as they should be - that anything else becomes inconceivable to people conditioned by habit and unfamiliar with the reasoning that went into separation of powers when equal branches of government disagree.
44 posted on 03/25/2005 12:05:19 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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"I have a duty to uphold the law and I have been very consistent about that. It seemed like a big story that never was confirmed because it wasn't true. If we had that ability to do it, if there wasn't an injunction, we would do it right now. We would stabilize her by giving her hydration. We couldn't put a feeding tube in. There was already a court order in place. The opportunity we had was appealing his decision."

Well then Governor Bush you also have a duty to uphold the law when Judges violate it too. Why are you allowing Judge Greer and Michael to get away with refusing to give Terri water even by mouth? I believe Jeb Bush can intervene because Judge Greer has issued a clearly illegal order that no water or food can be given to Terri even by mouth. This is not just the removal of a feeding tube but this judge has denied a request by her parents to give her water and food naturally! No judge or court has this power and it does not take an attorney to figure this out. I defy anyone to find legal authorization, even in Florida law, for this order. Has anyone in Bush's office even challenged this specific aspect of Greer's order? If not then he hasn't done everything in his power.

As is stated in another thread on an article by a doctor (William Anderson) in the Weekly Standard titled "Terri's Last Chance" there is no medical, legal or moral reason to not attempt a trial of natural drinking. He argues all the outcomes of such a trial, even if it results in a quicker death, are better than refusing to allow her to attempt to take food and water on her own. Only Greer's order stops this and such an order is not within the power of a court to make or a guardian or a medical care facility to carry out.

Jeb and/or George Bush should blast Judge Greer out of the water on this illegal order and immediately give her water by mouth. This could allow time to dismiss Greer for violating her human rights by his order and overturn the guardian decision. I am afraid that Jeb's team has been focusing so much on reinserting the tube that they are neglecting to fight to give her the opportunity to take water and food on her own which evidently is her only chance now and is more humane in any event.

69 posted on 03/25/2005 2:46:57 AM PST by politeia
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Kennedy, president of Coral Ridge Ministries, said Bush "must act and he must act immediately on her behalf."

"He must disregard the order of Judge Greer," Kennedy said. "He has both the authority and the duty to do so under the state constitution."

Gee I didn't know Dr. Kennedy was a legal expert on the Florida state constitution?

I don't know about anyone else but I am not comfortable with preachers in their pulpits demanding unconstitutional, illegal acts from elected officials.

Maybe its just me...

88 posted on 03/25/2005 3:25:17 AM PST by Walkin Man
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Someday, somewhere, someone in executive authority will defy a lawless court "order".

But not today, not in Florida, and not Governor Bush.

89 posted on 03/25/2005 3:26:52 AM PST by Jim Noble
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My heart is breaking over this. Terri was not dying before last week and now she has no chance to live unless God grants her a miracle. The family has bravely fought this horrible battle for their daughter's life. They have exhausted every legal avenue. I weep when I see their helplessness in not being able to save their daughter's life.

Jeb Bush has gone above and beyond to save Terri's life. I hate reading all of the insults here against him. He stepped in earlier and did what he could. I have no doubt he exhausted every legal avenue available to him also. Do you think a Democrat governor would have done as much to save Terri? She would have been dead a long time ago. This man is a governor and must abide by our laws. Thank you Jeb.

Thank you Congressmen and Senators for going above and beyond to help Terri. You were so brave to do what you did. I hope there will not be a backlash against you for trying to save Terri from an "unjust" justice system.

Randall Terry, please shut up. You do not speak for me and you look like an idiot. Please quit insulting people who have gone out of their way to help Terri. Everyone did what they could and we should be grateful and thankful to them. Jeb Bush, Congress, the Senate and our President could have easily ignored this case, but they didn't. Do you think a "President Kerry" would have done as much? We have elected conservative politicians and they have NOT let us down. They acted and did everything legally in their power to save Terri.
98 posted on 03/25/2005 3:50:00 AM PST by BloomNTn
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Subject: Shiavo review of guardianship

Governor Jeb Bush, jeb.bush@myflorida.com

Friday, March 25, 2005

The court, in 1997 when Michael announced he was'engaged' should have immediately conducted a guardianship hearing and transfered Terri to State guardianship. Because of this failure, we are in the present situation.

Questions you might consider:

(1) Why did Michael choose to 'ignore' her wishes for nearly 7 years until 1997 when he announced he was'engaged' to Jodi Centonze and 'suddenly' remembered the conversation about life support with Terri from years before?

Michael Schiavo answer would probably rationalize that it took that long before he realized there was 'no hope for recovery...'

(2) However, the 1992 malpractice suit for $20 million was based on the premise/conclusion that Terri would NOT recover and she would require constant medical care for the remainder of her life estimated by Michael Shiavo and his laywers to be 51 years(which is the normal life expectancey)...Where were her WISHES at that time?

(3) The court, in 1997 when Michael announced he was'engaged' should have immediately conducted a guardianship hearing and transfered Terri to State guardianship, at a minimum because of the obvious conflict of interest on the part of Michael Shiavo.

The court system failed to act at that point, and that is a major factor on why we are at the point we are today.

Guardianship, by law and practice, is determined to be given to that person who is most heavily 'biased' in favor of the disabled person. Under most conditions this would be the spouse. However, most prudent courts, if during the guardianship period, the appointed guardian by circumstances or accident tilts the 'bias' away from the interest of the person so guarded, would conduct and immediate review, and at a minimum, transfer guardianship to the appropriate State agency.

hope this is useful

Van & Katherine Jenerette

North Myrtle Beach, SC

Professor, Political Science, SCC

Associate, Sociology, Coastal Carolina University, South Carolina

123 posted on 03/25/2005 5:35:00 AM PST by kjenerette (Jenerette for Senate - www.jenerette.com - U.S. Army Desert Storm)
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"It is imperative that she be stabilized so the DCF team can fulfill their statute to review the facts surrounding the case," Bush said.

And what has changed about this fact, in such a way that Governor Bush no longer believes it's imperative?

It can't be that a judge can legally stop an executive branch agency from perfoming its statutorally manadated duty. Not constitutionally, a judge can't, by my understanding.

If Jeb Bush has another understanding, then he needs to explain it.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." --Edmund Burke

130 posted on 03/25/2005 9:30:24 AM PST by shhrubbery!
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This was Jeb Bush's OPPORTUNITY. I know he didn't think of it this way, but it was. If the court grants relief it will take the opportunity away and we'll NEVER KNOW whether he had the GUTTTTSSS to ignore the judiciary and DO THE RIGHT THING. That's what we want in a PRESIDENT.


142 posted on 03/25/2005 5:30:52 PM PST by noah (noah)
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The blame does not belong on Jeb Bush. He has done as much as he can and showed great moral courage .

The Schindlers have had lousy lawyering from the git go. They should have retained a top flight Constitutional lawyer like Alan Dershowitz or Davis Boise instead of a political idealogue .


150 posted on 03/26/2005 3:32:12 AM PST by PJBlogger (BEWARE :: HILLARY and her HINO want to take back YOUR COUNTRY !)
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