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Pride or prejudice? Terri's plight...Stop the BS!
Multitudes of postings | 3/26/2005 | self

Posted on 03/26/2005 12:44:12 PM PST by pageonetoo

I am a Christian. I call myself conservative. I vote for Republican candidates, and helped elect (and re-elect) George Bush and his dad, with my vote, and my pocketbook.

I am tired of the people who know what is right. I studied the Bible in a formal setting (Bible college), and have been brought up with the teachings of the church.

Why is this hysteria taking place? Is it because a Florida judge has ruled on a valid law, or that we disagree wth him and that law? Are we taking a biblical approach to this situation? Do we believe there is a God?

People are threatening Michael, like he is the angel of death. He's not. He's a guy that has loved a woman so much that he has taken the abuse of thousands of professing "Christians' who have no real interest, nor an accurate knowledge of the events taking place. I read where he spent years of his life trying to get some help for her. Now, he is a beast, since he has decided to let God have her...

We have portions of both sides' news, and positions being dispensed. We are led to believe, by the "right to lifers", that she is ready to get up and walk. Her parents say she is speaking, but doctors have said that it is not possible, she has no reasoning capability. Nurses eport that he tried to murder her with insulin, tyet, even the cops don't believe them. Of course, your histrionics are going to change her situation...

I don't know. I can't make the decision. I don't want ot be faced with a similar decision (but I have a DNR set up).

I do know that there is only one entity that can change her condition. He is our Heavenly Father. His Son is honored in our corporate memory tomorrow.

I have read of people making comparisons of Terri to Jesus in His sacrificial death. Please spare us that one.

I have seen that people expect the courts to join their delusions about her condition, and fly in the face of that reality when it is face down...

Get a grip.

God is still in control If Terri Schiavo is so important to you, as a believer, you should be spending your time on your knees... not browsing the Internet. God doesn't sign on here...

James 5:7ff-

7Be patient, then, brothers, until the Lord's coming. See how the farmer waits for the land to yield its valuable crop and how patient he is for the autumn and spring rains. 8You too, be patient and stand firm, because the Lord's coming is near. 9Don't grumble against each other, brothers, or you will be judged. The Judge is standing at the door!

10Brothers, as an example of patience in the face of suffering, take the prophets who spoke in the name of the Lord. 11As you know, we consider blessed those who have persevered. You have heard of Job's perseverance and have seen what the Lord finally brought about. The Lord is full of compassion and mercy.

12Above all, my brothers, do not swear–not by heaven or by earth or by anything else. Let your “Yes” be yes, and your “No,” no, or you will be condemned. The Prayer of Faith

13Is any one of you in trouble? He should pray. Is anyone happy? Let him sing songs of praise. 14Is any one of you sick? He should call the elders of the church to pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord. 15And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven. 16Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: bs; death; hysteria; murder; rant; schiavo; terri; terrihysteria; terrischiavo
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To: Capodistrias
You may have thought you were hiding under a rock while you were pounding out your contemptible little missal of Terri ennui...

You may have thought you were hiding under a rock while you were pounding out your contemptible little reply to me...

I don't hide. I speak from my heart, and know God.

You evidently think you know Him better, or you think you know better than He...

441 posted on 03/26/2005 3:38:50 PM PST by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: MadIvan
I shake my head with sadness - whatever we learned from World War II has been lost. well yes and no Ivan, you must remember those of us living in Europe are perhaps closer to what happened during WW2, and how it was allowed to happen - those in America never had it happen (until now) and have not had to live under the consequences of it, in Europe we were lucky that America came to our aid - but who shall come to the aid of America - if Americans cannot even see what is happening?
442 posted on 03/26/2005 3:39:05 PM PST by Free_at_last_-2001 (is clinton in jail yet?)
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To: Wild Bill 10
" will tell you how that particular type of business assisted Nazi German society carry out the killings you mentioned"

How about medicine??? now tell me about DR mengele.

Doctor Mengele was a horrible monster.

You show me a horrible society and I will show members of that society in every single profession that has done horrible things.

So, tell me what your two businesses are and I will tell you how members of your line of work helped Hitler commit the millions of murders you mentioned.

Don't be shy.

Tell me what business you are in so that I may play your game too.

443 posted on 03/26/2005 3:40:04 PM PST by Polybius
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To: farmer18th

Not you again?


444 posted on 03/26/2005 3:40:11 PM PST by verity (The Liberal Media and the ACLU are America's Enemies)
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To: Free_at_last_-2001
but who shall come to the aid of America - if Americans cannot even see what is happening?

That's a hell of a perspective and one damn fine question.

445 posted on 03/26/2005 3:41:20 PM PST by Types_with_Fist (I'm on FReep so often that when I read an article at another site I scroll down for the comments.)
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To: verity

Sorry, I don't have the link. I did read it somewhere in this maze.

Terri does not drewl which is one sign of her ability to swallow. When a nurse was washing her - Terri started to suck on the washcloth. then the nurse started to put OJ and apple juice on the wash cloth and Terri enjoyed it. The nurse was on Hannity - radio - yesterday afternoon.

That's the best I can do - not sure if Hannity archives his shows. But not sure if that is the authoritative source you want.


446 posted on 03/26/2005 3:41:25 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Polybius
"Go perform an unnatural act upon yourself, Bill"

For Bill it might be a natural act. ;-)

447 posted on 03/26/2005 3:41:37 PM PST by verity (The Liberal Media and the ACLU are America's Enemies)
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To: Beeline40@aol.com
Regarding the MRI, I understand that they cannot give her one because when Mr. Shiavo took her to california for a new treatment, they implanted a chip in her brain to measure brain function improvment and they cant take it out,therefore it interferes with the MRI.

I believe the intrathalamic stimulators to which you refer can be easily removed. In fact, the doctor recommended after the experimental procedure that they be removed. Not really a huge point, but since you thought that was what was keeping an MRI from being performed, I thought I'd address it.

448 posted on 03/26/2005 3:41:42 PM PST by the808bass
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To: nmh

"Ultimate" truth is yet to be found.

In the meanwhile, we have lives and families and societies here, and I think we should have knowledge, be loving, and compassionate to the human beings we know and those who are "neighbors" as mentioned by Christ.

Are you in favor of condemning my grandchildren--who are pure--and their children because I made mistakes?

That is a monstrous idea. Some poster, maybe you? said that MS's children were "bastards" and deserved God's hate. I consider this a very hateful idea, and does not accord with my idea of a loving and forgiving God.







449 posted on 03/26/2005 3:41:56 PM PST by thomaswest (We are all for God. Who claims to know is questionable.)
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To: Beeline40@aol.com

Where did you get your information about the MRI? They could have removed it for the MRI. It meant the difference between life and death.

Please provide the link to the specific 2000 document from which you referred. You did not say the original trial document in your post when you cited the testimony. Also, you are wrong about the testimony about other doctors, please reread the court docs. I know the appeals are basically the same thing - the appeal process does not establish facts, only the trial judge does. I said that it my last post.


450 posted on 03/26/2005 3:42:34 PM PST by Time4Atlas2Shrug
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To: ContraryMary

Absolutely - everything is questionable.

Just everything!!


451 posted on 03/26/2005 3:42:56 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name
But not sure if that is the authoritative source you want.

It will not do. Nothing will change the mind of many people who have already made up their minds on this issue, on both sides.

453 posted on 03/26/2005 3:43:10 PM PST by the808bass
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To: Iam1ru1-2

Tell that to the Florida SCOTUS.


454 posted on 03/26/2005 3:43:40 PM PST by annyokie (Laissez les bons temps rouler !)
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To: NW Mike
"iamthatiam,"

I believe that name is already being used.

455 posted on 03/26/2005 3:45:03 PM PST by verity (The Liberal Media and the ACLU are America's Enemies)
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To: MTOrlando
"""Wrong. The order to remove the feeding tube is appears to be valid and lawful under Florida statutes.

The order prohibiting any and all attempts to give food and water by natural means (by mouth) is directly opposed to the Florida statutes relevant to criminal neglegt of disabled adultes and manslaughter.

I've posted this a thousand times before. There are numerous plausible legal grounds to question guardianship issues, hearsay being admissible as evidence, etc..., but the order prohibiting natural feeding and hydration is clearly and absolutely in opposition to existing, valid statutory law regarding the care of disabled adults.
"""



NOW THAT!! is what is at question here, my friends!! Not another word needs to be said! That is the very core of this issue!

As for MS, how would any of you in favor of this occurrence feel, if it happened to you. Let's say you have an estranged lover or spouse, estranged obviously for 15 years. Are you willing to let the estranged spouse tell a court you wanted to die this way?? What if your divorce is yet to be filed, and you have an accident? I don't know how many of you are divorced, but that being a similar circumstance, I sure wouldn't want that person as my guardian, or in a position above my parents in determining whether a feeding tube is removed!! The guy has obviously moved on, TS is a mere inconvenience.
456 posted on 03/26/2005 3:45:37 PM PST by gidget7
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To: Beeline40@aol.com

"Look at the appeals they basically say the same thing. They have nothing new to present."

You have not idea how the courts operate, apparently. I explained it thoroughly in my post. They CANNOT present anything new. The appeals process does not provide for a de novo review. The federal judge that took the case the other day did not even give the de novo review when Congress stated that as their intention in the bill they passed.


457 posted on 03/26/2005 3:47:10 PM PST by Time4Atlas2Shrug
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To: MadIvan

Agree Ivan - thanks for post.


458 posted on 03/26/2005 3:47:41 PM PST by Ben Chad
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To: nmh
"My faith lies confidentially with Him.'

You should not keep it a secret if you truly believe.

459 posted on 03/26/2005 3:48:22 PM PST by verity (The Liberal Media and the ACLU are America's Enemies)
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To: gidget7
TS' 'coma' developed the night she informed MS she wanted a divorce.

MICHAEL SCHIAVO'S lies and contradictory testimony in easy to read format

460 posted on 03/26/2005 3:48:37 PM PST by Diogenesis (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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