who guarantees our right to vote.
It is the Soldier, not the politicians in DC
who guards our freedom.
Posted on 03/26/2005 12:44:12 PM PST by pageonetoo
I am a Christian. I call myself conservative. I vote for Republican candidates, and helped elect (and re-elect) George Bush and his dad, with my vote, and my pocketbook.
I am tired of the people who know what is right. I studied the Bible in a formal setting (Bible college), and have been brought up with the teachings of the church.
Why is this hysteria taking place? Is it because a Florida judge has ruled on a valid law, or that we disagree wth him and that law? Are we taking a biblical approach to this situation? Do we believe there is a God?
People are threatening Michael, like he is the angel of death. He's not. He's a guy that has loved a woman so much that he has taken the abuse of thousands of professing "Christians' who have no real interest, nor an accurate knowledge of the events taking place. I read where he spent years of his life trying to get some help for her. Now, he is a beast, since he has decided to let God have her...
We have portions of both sides' news, and positions being dispensed. We are led to believe, by the "right to lifers", that she is ready to get up and walk. Her parents say she is speaking, but doctors have said that it is not possible, she has no reasoning capability. Nurses eport that he tried to murder her with insulin, tyet, even the cops don't believe them. Of course, your histrionics are going to change her situation...
I don't know. I can't make the decision. I don't want ot be faced with a similar decision (but I have a DNR set up).
I do know that there is only one entity that can change her condition. He is our Heavenly Father. His Son is honored in our corporate memory tomorrow.
I have read of people making comparisons of Terri to Jesus in His sacrificial death. Please spare us that one.
I have seen that people expect the courts to join their delusions about her condition, and fly in the face of that reality when it is face down...
Get a grip.
God is still in control If Terri Schiavo is so important to you, as a believer, you should be spending your time on your knees... not browsing the Internet. God doesn't sign on here...
James 5:7ff-
7Be patient, then, brothers, until the Lord's coming. See how the farmer waits for the land to yield its valuable crop and how patient he is for the autumn and spring rains. 8You too, be patient and stand firm, because the Lord's coming is near. 9Don't grumble against each other, brothers, or you will be judged. The Judge is standing at the door!
10Brothers, as an example of patience in the face of suffering, take the prophets who spoke in the name of the Lord. 11As you know, we consider blessed those who have persevered. You have heard of Job's perseverance and have seen what the Lord finally brought about. The Lord is full of compassion and mercy.
12Above all, my brothers, do not swear–not by heaven or by earth or by anything else. Let your “Yes” be yes, and your “No,” no, or you will be condemned. The Prayer of Faith
13Is any one of you in trouble? He should pray. Is anyone happy? Let him sing songs of praise. 14Is any one of you sick? He should call the elders of the church to pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord. 15And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven. 16Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.
You have my deepest respect. It is unfortunate that you were pilloried for your knowledge.
42 U.S.C. Sections 12101 et seq"Nothing in subsection (a) of this section, or in any other provision of this chapter (or in any amendment made by this chapter), shall be construed to apply to or to affect any limitation relating to:
1) the withholding or withdrawing of medical treatment or medical care;
(2) the withholding or withdrawing of nutrition or hydration;
(3) abortion;or
(4) the use of an item, good, benefit, or service furnished for the purpose of alleviating pain or discomfort, even if such use may increase the risk of death, so long as such item, good, benefit, or service is not also furnished for the purpose of causing, or the purpose of assisting in causing, death, for any reason.
This is from your own post above. There is nothing here that renders the Florida Statute inoperative. As the feeding of Terri Schiavo by mouth is impossible, the law requiring such feeding is clearly moot and does not apply in this situation.
You implication that somehow this is a violation of Federal law is simply incorrect as pointed out in your own post.
Clang, clang, clang, You succeeded. Perhaps you should note that it was a "jerking-your-chain" comment. {;-)
"If they were getting a divorce, why were they trying to have a child and seeking medical help to get pregnant? Some of that malpractice money came from the doctors who failed to diagnose her bulemia, which caused the potassium imbalance, which was what they believe caused her heart to fail."
I did not think it had ever been proven that she was bulemic. When MS was asked about it I thought his response was something along the lines of they didn't really know for sure because bulemia was a secretive disease. Did I get this wrong? Anybody else know more about that?
You mean, you are tired of having to "think" of someone in a serious manner? dont you?
OOOOOOOOPS!!! wrong gender. I must have pressed the femine case on my keyboard. ;-)
"I believe Jesus is calling Terri; to an abundance in heaven. A pox on those who would stand in her way and trap her in an earthly body if that is not her wish."
If it be Jesus "calling " her, why is it a couple men that decided to starve her? Wouldn't Jesus have "called" her before they needed to intercede and remove all nourishment and hydration from her?
Sounds more to me that since as long as she was being fed, Jesus was content to leave her here. Only by man's stepping in does it appear she will die.
Sorry, it isn't Jesus calling her, it is man sending her off to a horrific death.
I was quoting the person I was responding, too.
Yeh, right. "When is that bitch gonna die?" "Is she dead yet?"
Fair enough. But why did it take him seven years to share this conversation? Some of the health care workers have testified that Michael was wringing his hands before the settlement and told them he had no idea what Terri wanted. By the way, the settlement was predicated on Terri living decades. If Michael had shared the conversation, (if it did indeed happen), there is little doubt he would not have received this large settlement. All I am saying is there are a lot of fishy facts here. When there is doubt and a human being's life is at stake, I believe we should err on the side of life.
You better go back and re-read this. It's saying you cannot used any of these procedures under medicaid laws, federally funded healthcare for the purpose of ending someone's life. It can only be used to PRESERVE a life. I don't know how you came to your conclusion from my post.
For any number of reasons that have been posted to these threads in the past, Carla Iyer's statements were found not credible. Despite this fact, Iyer's incredible statements are tossed about repeatedly.
Thanks for the link. I've been gone, too.
You can be planning on having a baby and 2 months later want a divorce.
As for the potassium imbalance, dr's have reported it was slight, and not enough to cause a heart attack.
The issue is state sponsored murder of innocents.
I'm against it.
Thanks for posting that information. I believe it is wrong to starve Terri when we don't know her wishes. That said, I believe there is a lot of wrong and inflammatory information swirling around after reading the legal documents last night that don't match the rhetoric. Bottom line is that it was all about money that split the two sides while an innocent person's life hung in the balance IMHO.
Nothing in subsection (a) of this section, or in any other provision of this chapter (or in any amendment made by this chapter), shall be construed to apply to or to affect any limitation relating to:
(1) the withholding or withdrawing of medical treatment or medical care;
(2) the withholding or withdrawing of nutrition or hydration;
I'm sorry, but it is you that should re-read the Federal code. It says quite simply that nothing stated in this law applies to the two section that are quoted.
The use of the word "affect" in this instance means to 'create any limitation on the enumerated items following.
It only makes sense, after all the code is discussing Hospice care.
Bulemia is not just vomiting after eating, it includes use of laxatives and any other form of purging. Terri was drinking in excess of a gallon of tea a day in an effort to lose weight. She had apparently gone from the 140lb neighborhood to 110lbs when she collapsed. Any time you are peeing that much, which I would call excessive diuresing, you are going to waste potassium pretty fast. That is why people who take Lasix, a diuretic, also normally take a potassium pill as well.
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