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How the Schiavo Federal Court Case Might Have Been Won(Long article worth the read)
FindLaw's Writ ^ | Saturday, Mar. 26, 2005 | By MICHAEL C. DORF

Posted on 03/28/2005 11:20:36 AM PST by fight_truth_decay

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To: PhiKapMom

PING


21 posted on 03/28/2005 11:34:22 AM PST by kingattax (If you're cross-eyed and dyslexic, can you read all right ?)
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To: fight_truth_decay

If GOD ALMIGHTY had been lawyer or witness for the Schindlers, He would have lost.


22 posted on 03/28/2005 11:37:22 AM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: Bluegrass Conservative

Is he the best we've got?


23 posted on 03/28/2005 11:39:04 AM PST by My2Cents (America is divided along issues of morality, between the haves and the have-nots.)
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To: fight_truth_decay
The ugly truth of the matter is that the Shindlers attorneys screwed up.

Stop blaming Congress, Jeb and George. Be honest for a change and put the blame where it belongs - the Shindlers and their incompetent attorneys.

This is good legal assessment of what went wrong.
24 posted on 03/28/2005 11:41:00 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: fight_truth_decay

i agree after all i've read (prior to this article) that the schindler's laywer completely squandered the opportunity congress gave them.

one hates to see someone die based on incompetence but that is what happened here. there was no way that the executive branch would step in again after they threw away the first chance to do so.

the laywers didn't presented anything to kick in the "de novo" clause and instead of bringing one strong argument the threw everything they had at the court hoping something would stick. they took a risk and failed horribly.

congress specifically put the de novo clause in because they saw the possible incompetance/corruption of the state case, yet it was the laywers who squandered the opportunity.


25 posted on 03/28/2005 11:42:48 AM PST by kpp_kpp
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To: ContemptofCourt

From what I can tell, Judge Greer did his own amount of bungling.


26 posted on 03/28/2005 11:43:00 AM PST by My2Cents (America is divided along issues of morality, between the haves and the have-nots.)
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To: fight_truth_decay
Yet, both Judge Whittemore and the Eleventh Circuit failed to come to grips with the fact that Judge Greer issued an order instructing Michael Schiavo to remove Terri's feeding tube, even specifying the exact date and time when he should do so. The state court did not merely stand idly by while permitting Michael to take such action; the court affirmatively mandated the disconnection. That ought to have counted as state action by a state actor--Judge Greer--who was a named defendant in the federal court lawsuit.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner! The STATE (as represented by Judge Greer) ORDERED the feeding tube removed! What does this mean? It means that Terri's constitutional rights were violated, since no one in government can deny someone LIFE without due process. This dude argues that Terri did receive due process, but in actuallity, it was only her husband's wishes that were under consideration, not Terri's. Judge Greer is WAY OUTA BOUNDS here. (As most of us already know.)

For those of you blaming Jeb Bush for Terri's death, the blame can be more appropriately placed right at the feet of the Schindler's lawyers.

27 posted on 03/28/2005 11:44:16 AM PST by Ronzo (God ALONE is enough.)
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To: housewife101
"Basically states what I have heard from many sources...poor council was given/obtained by the Schindler family. I think, from what I know, I would agree with this."

Same here.

I really do wish the Shindlers would stop attacking Jeb, George and Congress when they did ALL they could to help them. It was the Shindler lawyers that gave Terri the death sentence through their sheer incompetence.
28 posted on 03/28/2005 11:45:54 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: fight_truth_decay
Should of, would of, could of... Monday Morning Quarterbacking doesn't do Terri Schiavo any good. What can be done now while she is still with us? Can any investigations be brought up against Michael Schiavo? We should be concentrating on what can make a difference for the here and now.
29 posted on 03/28/2005 11:46:22 AM PST by PeanutbutterandJellybean
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To: Poohbah

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> Actually, the attorneys threw the case to serve another agenda.
>

such as? (not disagreeing with you, just curious)


30 posted on 03/28/2005 11:48:14 AM PST by kpp_kpp
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To: ContemptofCourt

I think the initial fatal mistake in this case was the failure to object strenuously to the ex parte communication with Judge Greer that led to the appointment of Felos as co-counsel. In that communique, counsel for Schiavo claimed that the Schindlers were aware of the decision to bring in "right-to-die" counsel on issues of prolonging her life. While Mr. Schindler has said that he was unaware of any such decisions, Schindler counsel did not aggressively protest the appointment.

But, in looking this over, there have been many injustices and instances of ineffective counsel for the Schindlers. (And, having had experience with judicial corruption in a county court, I am not ruling out cronyism and judicial impropriety in this matter.) But the failure to demand the potential relief provided by Congressional action was a staggering lack of advocacy. Personally, I was appalled when I heard the nature of the complaint before a federal court.


31 posted on 03/28/2005 11:48:31 AM PST by Pinetop
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To: My2Cents

That's what I want to know.

Jay Sekulow was on Hannity's radio show almost daily offering commentary, but did he offer his services to the Schindlers?

Who knows, maybe he and others did, and were turned down, but regardless, it seems obvious the Schindlers were outlawyered.


32 posted on 03/28/2005 11:48:36 AM PST by agrace
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To: fight_truth_decay
Whenever the state takes innocent life, it cheapens life.


Terri Schiavo Before dehydration

God Bless you Terri in your hour of death

Let everyone who said your beautiful smile was fake be haunted by it for the rest of their days.

33 posted on 03/28/2005 11:48:52 AM PST by mjtobias (Michael et al. aren't trying to starve Terri because she's dying, but because she isn't. - supercat)
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To: ContemptofCourt

Judicial scope has more ability and is less limited than that you have suggested, in and out of chamber.


34 posted on 03/28/2005 11:49:54 AM PST by bvw
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To: ContemptofCourt

If the Clinton-appointed federal judge were interested in protecting life, he would have dimissed the complaint without prejudice and told schindler's attorneys to re-file to re-assert the facts they presented as a 14th amendment right-to-life claim as intended by the act, if they had such a claim. Hinding behind draconian application of procedural rules doesn't justify starving a human being to death.

From a recent movie, in which a bureacrat is spouting procedure:
"Where are the kids?"
"What?"
"You know, the kids... Cowards often hide behind rules and children."


35 posted on 03/28/2005 11:50:05 AM PST by mikeus_maximus
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To: Pinetop
But, in looking this over, there have been many injustices and instances of ineffective counsel for the Schindlers. (And, having had experience with judicial corruption in a county court, I am not ruling out cronyism and judicial impropriety in this matter.)

Check THIS out.

36 posted on 03/28/2005 11:52:40 AM PST by agrace
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To: fight_truth_decay
But Florida law expressly authorizes a trial judge to ascertain, based on all available evidence, what a patient's wishes are, where there is no written advance directive and the family members disagree. Judge Greer was simply acting as a judge, looking at evidence to decide a factual matter: what Terri would have wanted.

This is the issue period. The rest of this doesn't do Terri any good, and hurts our other issues, like millions of aborted babies. Political capital is being spent in spades, where it may be better spent ending abortion.

Wake up people we are falling into the hands of our enemies.
37 posted on 03/28/2005 11:57:09 AM PST by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: fight_truth_decay
Thanks for injected some rationality into a room clouded by right-to-life zealots blowing smoke out of their ears.

It is possible that in drafting their original complaint, the Schindlers' lawyers could not bring themselves to rely on cases that the pro-life movement abhors, and that they did so, in their second federal complaint, only when their desperation would color the courts' perception of the issue.

So the wacko right-to-lifers apparently hoistered Terri Shiavo on their own petard, emphatically proving that she was just a pawn in their game.

38 posted on 03/28/2005 11:59:55 AM PST by ravinson
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To: Hildy
Clear winner for the "Most Ridiculous Comparison of the Month" Award.
39 posted on 03/28/2005 12:02:06 PM PST by kingattax (If you're cross-eyed and dyslexic, can you read all right ?)
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