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Yahoo Financial News ^ | 30MAR05 | Progressive Insurance

Posted on 03/30/2005 3:01:07 AM PST by Melas

You Are What You Ride: Progressive Survey Finds Differences Between Harley and Sport Bike Riders Go Beyond Bike Type

Wednesday March 9, 1:33 pm ET

Both Dig Body Art But Harley Riders More Likely to Wear What They Ride, Says America's Top Motorcycle Insurer

MAYFIELD VILLAGE, Ohio--(BUSINESS WIRE)--March 9, 2005-- What can you tell about a person by the kind of motorcycle they ride? Plenty, according to a recent countrywide online survey conducted by The Progressive Group of Insurance Companies, the number one seller of motorcycle insurance in the U.S. The survey finds interesting differences - and similarities - between Harley-Davidson riders and those who ride sport bikes.

For example, everyone knows that Harley riders wear their passion for biking on their sleeve... literally. The survey finds Harley riders are three times more likely than those who ride sport bikes to own clothing or artwork that displays the brand of motorcycle they ride (93 percent versus 30 percent, respectively). Harley riders are also more likely to have body art such as tattoos and piercings (52 percent versus 40 percent).

The survey also finds that Harley riders are more likely than those who ride sport bikes to plan rides around where they'll eat (32 percent versus 23 percent).

Sport bike riders are three times more likely to eat at fast-food restaurants (18 percent versus six percent), while riders of Harleys are nearly four times more likely to pick restaurants with the nicest looking waiters/waitresses (11 percent versus three percent).

The survey confirms that both rider groups have much in common, too. For example, both say "freedom" is the number one reason they ride. And though sport bikes are commonly known as "crotch-rockets" or "road-rippers," only six percent of those who ride them say they do so for "speed" while fewer than one percent of Harley riders say the same. Both groups listed the same top excuses for justifying a quick ride: running errands, testing the engine and visiting friends.

Progressive's survey also finds that ninety-five (95) percent of all riders acknowledge their fellow bikers while riding. Waving is the preferred method of acknowledgement (37 percent), although Harley riders are nearly twice as likely to acknowledge other riders by pointing two fingers down (29 percent versus 16 percent).

Harley riders are six times more likely to only acknowledge those riding the same style bike (18 percent versus three percent).

Additional survey results include:

An overwhelming majority of riders (88 percent) donate time or money to charities. Two-thirds of Harley riders (67 percent) and one-third of those who ride sport bikes (33 percent) participate in at least one charity ride each year.

Sixty-nine (69) percent of all riders daydream at work each day about riding their bike.

Eighteen (18) percent of all riders call in sick to work at least once a year to go riding.

Women prefer to ride with their significant other (58 percent), while men choose to ride with their friends (63 percent).

Adding custom parts that enhance the look of their bikes was the number one choice for Harley riders (73 percent), while adding performance equipment was the top choice for those who ride sport bikes (44 percent).


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Repost. The leader moderator removed the original because I left contact info and advertisment material in my first effort. My bad. I'm a long time replier but infrequent poster of news stories.
1 posted on 03/30/2005 3:01:08 AM PST by Melas
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To: Melas

Interesting survey. I like Harleys and crotch-rockets and I can't decide which one to buy.


2 posted on 03/30/2005 3:07:34 AM PST by rabidralph ("I want that."--Wife in Napoleon Dynamite)
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To: Melas

we have other names for the so called sports bikes....rice burners, j*p bikes, and girls bikes.


3 posted on 03/30/2005 3:08:17 AM PST by Vaquero ("There is nothing lower than the human race - except the french." (Mark Twain))
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To: Melas; martin_fierro; Lead Moderator
Hooligan ping.

Thanks to LM for giving me a chance to clean it up and repost, it was greatly appreciated.

Now, a couple of points:

1) riders of Harleys are nearly four times more likely to pick restaurants with the nicest looking waiters/waitresses I've never, ever, ever seen a group of Harley riders stop anywhere there were waiters, let alone good looking ones. Obviously PC here. :)

2) Harley riders are six times more likely to only acknowledge those riding the same style bike (18 percent versus three percent). If I could smack every stuck up biker on a Harley that refuses to acknowledge guys on Japanese bikes, I would. I love to see bikes on the road. I don't care if it's a Fatboy or a Honda Rebel. I'm not sure I count scooters though. Caio

3)I'd love to see more sport bikes get involved with charity events. I don't know if we should blame the sport bike riders for not showing up, or if the Harley guys shoulder the blame for not making them feel welcome.

4)Sixty-nine (69) percent of all riders daydream at work each day about riding their bike. Hell, I daydream about riding when I'm riding! I daydream about other bikes I'd like to ride, and places I'd like to be riding.

Adding custom parts that enhance the look of their bikes was the number one choice for Harley riders (73 percent), while adding performance equipment was the top choice for those who ride sport bikes (44 percent). I guess I'm the exception here. While I do have a lot of cosmetic items on my bike, they pale in comparison to the performance and functional parts. In addition to practical additions such as bags, racks, seat, sissy bar, I have aftermarket pistons, cams, ignition, air cleaner, pipes....The only difference is that my parts were chosen to provide maximum torque, streetable power, instead of high RPM horsepower ala the Japanese bikes.

4 posted on 03/30/2005 3:11:26 AM PST by Melas
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To: Melas

OK...

Eighteen (18) percent of all riders call in sick to work at least once a year to go riding.


65% of all harley riders and 95% of my riding partners are too old to work, to cranky to answer questions, to scary to be interviewed without firearms nearby and arguably the hungriest group of people Ive ever had the pleasure to grow old with :-)

(Change it around since the last one, didn't want you to snort your corflakes thru your nose again. :-)


5 posted on 03/30/2005 3:11:44 AM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: Melas
So with my Peugot moped I'm....???

prisoner6

6 posted on 03/30/2005 3:11:52 AM PST by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the left fall out!)
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To: rabidralph

Buy what you can afford and what feels comfortable. Forget the hype!


7 posted on 03/30/2005 3:12:43 AM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: Melas
" Harley riders are also more likely to have body art such as tattoos and piercings (52 percent versus 40 percent)."

I thought they were just "living the legend".

No mention of which rider's women have the most tatoos (property of Boo-boo, etc..), or largest "mammalian protuberances".

8 posted on 03/30/2005 3:13:27 AM PST by Slump Tester (John Kerry - When even your best still isn't good enough)
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To: prisoner6
So with my Peugot moped I'm....???

A poofter! :-)

9 posted on 03/30/2005 3:13:38 AM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: Melas
If I could smack every stuck up biker on a Harley that refuses to acknowledge guys on Japanese bikes, I would.

Might want to check out how well your medical insurance covers first...;^)

10 posted on 03/30/2005 3:14:55 AM PST by bullseye1911 (Not as good as I once was, but as good once as I ever was!)
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To: Melas

11 posted on 03/30/2005 3:14:55 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: prisoner6

Right behind this Vespa owner.. Whoo!Whooo!!


12 posted on 03/30/2005 3:15:48 AM PST by Paulus
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To: JoeSixPack1

I like Ducatis, at the moment.


13 posted on 03/30/2005 3:17:44 AM PST by rabidralph ("I want that."--Wife in Napoleon Dynamite)
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To: bmwcyle; W.

Interesting.


14 posted on 03/30/2005 3:20:07 AM PST by lysie
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To: Paulus
Right behind this Vespa owner

Only if I pedal REAL hard!

Vespa...sigh...I am SO jealous!

FWIW I also REALLY enjoy riding old Honda/Yanaha/et al 50's. That gives me a REAL ADRENALINE RUSH...

prisoner6

15 posted on 03/30/2005 3:21:07 AM PST by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the left fall out!)
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To: Melas

You can tell a happy biker by the bugstains on his teeth.

My "crotch rocket" is a 1969 Triumph Trident T150, still in fairly mint condition, right down to its original Avon tires (or is it tyres?).


16 posted on 03/30/2005 3:21:29 AM PST by Marauder (But your honor, the bed was already on fire when I crawled into it!)
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To: rabidralph

I know of a few older Harley owners that went to a Goldwing. More comfortable and reliable.


17 posted on 03/30/2005 3:23:03 AM PST by chemicalman (Finally an answer for the prisoner problem at Abu Ghraib: Don't take any.)
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To: prisoner6
"So with my Peugot moped I'm....???"

That answer would depend on whether anyone sees you.

This thread is gonna be fun!

18 posted on 03/30/2005 3:23:28 AM PST by Slump Tester (John Kerry - When even your best still isn't good enough)
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To: rabidralph

.......at the moment.


Well, if attention span is a good indicator, you need to keep lookin'. :-)


19 posted on 03/30/2005 3:23:58 AM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: Melas
Progressive's survey found that Harley Riders are prouder of their rides than those on rice burners:
“The survey finds Harley riders are three times more likely than those who ride sport bikes to own clothing or artwork that displays the brand of motorcycle they ride (93 percent versus 30 percent, respectively).”
Harley Riders also have more class: “Sport bike riders are three times more likely to eat at fast-food restaurants (18 percent versus six percent), while riders of Harleys are nearly four times more likely to pick restaurants with the nicest looking waiters/waitresses (11 percent versus three percent).”
20 posted on 03/30/2005 3:25:07 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: rabidralph

I adore the CBR -- fantabulous bike. Or the new BMW sport bike --> it's more in the Hayabusa range (find the Suzuki machine too bulky for my preference). All in All, I'd prefer the CBR any day, even over a Hornet or a Moto Guzzi


21 posted on 03/30/2005 3:27:14 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: prisoner6

The first bike I ever had was Honda 50. A lot of good times.
= )


22 posted on 03/30/2005 3:27:29 AM PST by Paulus
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To: Marauder
Hey, I >had< a 69 BSA Rocket 3...wasn't that the same as the Triumph? It was a cool bike and REALLY fast - for the time - but the leather clutch was a pain. I neded up giving the bike to my brothers in law who in turn kept it in a barn for a decade or so, then >gave< it to someone who completely restored it. Apprently he found someone who could make the leather clutch.

prisoner6

23 posted on 03/30/2005 3:27:31 AM PST by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the left fall out!)
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To: rabidralph

Melas wrote, "Interesting survey. I like Harleys and crotch-rockets and I can't decide which one to buy."

Buy one of the newer Gold Wings (2001-present). You'll never regret it. It has the power of a crotch rocket (1,832 cc). You'll be able to ride all day without being being battered by the H-D's vibration and noise. You'll have modern technology (liquid-cooled, fuel-injected, quiet six cylinder engine), instead of the antiquated air-cooled, noisy V-twin.


24 posted on 03/30/2005 3:28:52 AM PST by Fischer1483
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To: chemicalman
I know of a few older Harley owners that went to a Goldwing. More comfortable and reliable.

Well, now you know of one more. Love my wing - it's 11 years young, looks like new, never had any problems, smooth, quiet (so I can hear the stereo), comfortable, powerful and handles very well.

25 posted on 03/30/2005 3:31:14 AM PST by pt17 (Without geometry, would life be pointless?)
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To: Fischer1483

Yep, goldwings will bore you to death with their magic flying carpet ride! Just hope you guys remember when your moving vs. standing still. :-)


26 posted on 03/30/2005 3:31:39 AM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: JoeSixPack1
I went through my BSA and Harley phase. Back then you had an idea who you were dealing with. Nowadays when I pass a bunch of rumblin' iron with leathered up riders, I don't know if they might be old friends or a sadistic pack of orthodontists.
27 posted on 03/30/2005 3:31:56 AM PST by zygoat
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To: Marauder

I was based in Sapin 68-72. I had a Bultalco 250...what a blast..


28 posted on 03/30/2005 3:32:01 AM PST by ken5050 (The Dem party is as dead as the NHL)
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To: Melas
3)I'd love to see more sport bikes get involved with charity events. I don't know if we should blame the sport bike riders for not showing up, or if the Harley guys shoulder the blame for not making them feel welcome.

Way back in 1975 I bought a Honda CB750F after my Harley was stolen. I thought I’d give Hondas a chance. While on the Honda I was still welcome at rider events (except H.O.G. rallies, which I wouldn’t think of attending). I made poker runs, blood runs, toy runs and just plain fun funs.
The Honda lasted 3 years before it finally died and I went back to Harley – unlike Harley’s, the Honda was missing a soul. Unlike the rice burners, the Harley’s were designed to be comfortable for humans to ride.
29 posted on 03/30/2005 3:32:26 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: zygoat

I don't know if they might be old friends or a sadistic pack of orthodontists.


Wave anyway! :-)


30 posted on 03/30/2005 3:33:17 AM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: Marauder
Nice! I still have a 71 Norton Hi Rider, and 2 73 Guzzi Eldorados but they're all far from mint. I can call the one Eldorado "original" though. I had a Matchless G15 that I think was from the late 50's or early 60's, but I had to sell it about 15 years ago. Been kicking myself ever since.

Also a nice running "all there" 73 or 74 Combat Commando 750 Roadster to sell for a friend. (If anyone is interested, freepmail me.)

31 posted on 03/30/2005 3:34:39 AM PST by Slump Tester (John Kerry - When even your best still isn't good enough)
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To: Melas
Progressive's survey also finds that ninety-five (95) percent of all riders acknowledge their fellow bikers while riding. Waving is the preferred method of acknowledgement (37 percent), although Harley riders are nearly twice as likely to acknowledge other riders by pointing two fingers down (29 percent versus 16 percent).

Is there a story behind the two-fingers down? I've gotten that before from fellow-bikers, but I wasn't sure whether they were flipping me off. :-)

32 posted on 03/30/2005 3:35:09 AM PST by Jonah Hex (Go. Hunt. Kill Skuls.)
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To: Jonah Hex

two-fingers down = V-twin wave.


33 posted on 03/30/2005 3:36:01 AM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: rabidralph; blackie
Interesting survey. I like Harleys and crotch-rockets and I can't decide which one to buy.

They're all good. Most of it depends on how you ride. No bike is good at everything. Goldwings and Electra Glides suck big time in stop and go traffic in the Texas' Summer. Sportsters are horrid for long trips with a passenger. Crotch rockets suck for long trips period. Low Riders are the slowest bikes in the twisties next to Schwinn's. Etc, etc. Some bikes are better jacks of all trades than others, but not everone needs a jack of all trades bikes.

A good example is a fellow freeper here who goes by Blackie. He traded in a Sportster for a Suzuki SV650, and from his posts he couldn't be happier. Now I have a friend who traded in a SV650 for a Sportster and he couldn't be happier. The difference is no doubt riding style.

From his posts here, I get the feeling that recreational rides through the twisties, with sport bike riders are Blackie's thing, and the light, nimble, responsive 650 is perfect for that type of riding. The Sportser is decidedly less suited for that ride than the Suzuki. No one likes to do that kind of ride knowing you'll be bringing up the rear, way rear. Being last is bad, but so far behind you can't see the other bikes is no fun.

On the other hand, the much torquier, heavier, Sportster fits my friends bill much better. My buddy was looking for an economical commuter bike that he can ride every day, and that could double as a 1up tourer. The 650 just can't compete with a Sportser for that kind of riding. The 650, while it has plenty of HP, is less torquey so the rider shifts more which isn't good on a 700 mile day. The 650 just can't compete with a Sportster with racks and bags for the cargo capacity my buddy needed.

On the other hand, if 2up riding is your thing, with any distance at all, you'd be a fool to buy either bike. For that kind of riding, you couldn't do much worse than either the sportster or the Suzuki. For that kind of riding you'd want a full boat tourer like the Electra Glide or Goldwing which are great touring bikes. You just don't want to get caught in a traffic jam, creeping along at 15mph for an hour on one. The complete lack of airflow at those low speeds is a recipe for heat stroke on one. They're not a good commuter bikes at all.

34 posted on 03/30/2005 3:37:14 AM PST by Melas
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To: prisoner6
So with my Peugot moped I'm....???

Vehicular hell.

35 posted on 03/30/2005 3:37:52 AM PST by Melas
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To: JoeSixPack1

I hate you. You said in 1 one sentence what I just blew through a dozen paragraphs on.


36 posted on 03/30/2005 3:38:34 AM PST by Melas
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To: Slump Tester; prisoner6
"So with my Peugot moped I'm....???"

Well, you're someone for me to blare the horn at while I zoom past ya at 120 + mph
37 posted on 03/30/2005 3:39:40 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11)
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To: Slump Tester
No mention of which rider's women have the most tatoos (property of Boo-boo, etc..), or largest "mammalian protuberances".

You've seen Boo-Boo's woman? We tried to get her picture on the milk cartons, but the Dairy group said they were afraid it might scare small children.

38 posted on 03/30/2005 3:39:55 AM PST by Melas
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To: prisoner6

Got me beat my bike is a sit down low rider with pedals and a trainer on it so it is stationary.


39 posted on 03/30/2005 3:40:18 AM PST by oceanperch (LOOKIE LOOKIE WE UPDATED OUR PROFILE PAGE/LINKS!)
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To: Melas

But But But, I love you man!! :-)


40 posted on 03/30/2005 3:40:48 AM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: Melas
I was raised in the San Berdardino area of So. Calif, back in the 70s. I remember the hordes of Hell's Angels that would come racing up behind us on the Freeway.

I remember going to a Park in San Bernardino and having to leave because the Hell's Angels showed up and were picking fights with people. So what?

None of these people had t-shirts with Harley ads.

People have become walking advertisments, and not just Bikers. There are only a few individuals that don't have some logo-type article of clothing.

Those that do, I believe, are not trying to demostrate who they are, but to convince themselves of who they think they are.
41 posted on 03/30/2005 3:41:15 AM PST by Bear_Slayer (If you're gonna be a Knight act like a Knight.)
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To: chemicalman
I know of a few older Harley owners that went to a Goldwing. More comfortable and reliable.

I rode Coast to Coast twice, one on a Harley FLH (1982) and once on a Harley FXRT (1985). Both times I was prepared with a tool kit – adjustable wrench, pliers, Swiss Army knife and black tape. I never experienced any problems with my Harley on either trip, but did stop to help riders on Gold and Silver wings several times. I found the comfort level was outstanding on both bikes.
I too know of some Harley riders who went to Gold Wings when they grew to old and infirm for their old bikes – but they had ridden hard tail choppers for decades and never sat a Dresser.
42 posted on 03/30/2005 3:41:19 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Slump Tester
...or largest "mammalian protuberances".

Or the floppiest.

43 posted on 03/30/2005 3:42:02 AM PST by uglybiker (A woman's most powerful weapon is a guy's imagination.)
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To: bullseye1911
Might want to check out how well your medical insurance covers first...;^)

Lol, I'm a firm believer of policing our own. My dad rode a Harley in WWII, and he brought that passion back home to the states with him. My brother barely stood a chance, and when I came up, I had no chance, because both of them were deeply into Harley's that it was like the family religion.

44 posted on 03/30/2005 3:42:05 AM PST by Melas
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To: chemicalman
I know of a few older Harley owners that went to a Goldwing. More comfortable and reliable.

They have their place, but as I said in an earlier post, they're horrible as commuters. The full fairing with lowers provides excellent protection at highway speeds, and makes for a wonderful ride. However, at lower speeds, the added weight makes them cumbersome, and the lack of airflow is suffocating in hot climates.

As for reliability, you're dead on. Nothing is more reliable than a GW. Those things have a duty cycle of over 300,000 miles now. The duty cycle of the Harley Twincam is an easy 100,000 which is absolutely nothing to sneeze at, but nothing lasts like the 4 and now the 6 cyl wings.

45 posted on 03/30/2005 3:46:55 AM PST by Melas
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To: Fischer1483
…without being being battered by the H-D's vibration and noise…

Obviously you are not familiar with the Harleys made within the last couple decades.
46 posted on 03/30/2005 3:47:22 AM PST by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: Slump Tester
This thread is gonna be fun!

Amen, and we're more than due for a fun thread. I know I welcome the levity.

47 posted on 03/30/2005 3:47:45 AM PST by Melas
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To: Paulus

Me too. A Honda 50 with the little itty bitty wheels and a 3 speed tranny with a centrificul clutch. I think I was 6. I loved that little bike, and I thought I was real biker. The neighbors on the other hand thought I was a menace. Come to think of it, that's what the guy across street think every time I set off his car alarm with my pipes now.


48 posted on 03/30/2005 3:50:02 AM PST by Melas
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To: Fischer1483

Bad advice unless you know how he intends to ride. I greatly admire Wings, expecially the engine, but the Wing like all bikes that are really good at one thing, has some serious drawbacks if you're not riding in that niche, which in the Wing's case would be long distance riding.


49 posted on 03/30/2005 3:52:04 AM PST by Melas
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To: zygoat
Nowadays when I pass a bunch of rumblin' iron with leathered up riders, I don't know if they might be old friends or a sadistic pack of orthodontists.

I use a Microsoft Natural Multimedia Keyboard. They're $39.95 at Fry's and you owe me a new one. This one is covered in coffee thanks to you.

50 posted on 03/30/2005 3:54:00 AM PST by Melas
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