"Theocrats" for Terri Schiavo

FrontPageMagazine.com ^ | April 1, 2005 | Lawrence Auster

[Zionist Conspirator]

Bump!

This is a beautiful article, and I say that as an unabashed Theocrat myself!

Liberalism has always been irrational. "Pacifists" for class war? Gun-grabbers for "armed struggle?" "Anti-nationalists" who support the most retrograde, mystical nationalisms (only the US and Israel don't meet their criteria)? Lesbians in burkhas to demonstrate their solidarity with moslem fundamentalists?

These people are mentally ill. They'd better hope they lose this ideological conflict, or their comrades would have them euthenased!

[Zionist Conspirator]

Liberals view people as resource users and destroyers of the earth. Too many people, too few resources. Killing off the unwanted thru abortions and what they view as useless thru euthanasia saves valuable resources. That is the humanist socialist mindset.

An ironic position indeed for "humanists" who once proudly proclaimed that "man is the measure of all things!"

Would the ancestors of today's leftists have ever dreamed that their progeny would become nature-worshippers?

[swampmonster]

Oops, didn't mean to open a can of worms here guys. Sorry.

[lugsoul]

"Why was only one man, Judge Greer, the determinant of the facts in Terri's case?"

Have you read the opinions of the 2nd District Court of Appeals?

If you read them, it will quickly become obvious that the premise of your question is deeply flawed.

[Irene Adler]

"I can't say that this is a conservative vs. liberal subject. I don't believe anyone "wanted" Terri Shiavo to die."

I have a strongly feminist, pro-abort, leftwing sister. She is absolutely kneejerk, pro-death in virtually every situation where there is a choice to be made. I have come to believe that She actually gets off on it only not quite so obviously as Felos does. It is creepy and I can't explain the origin of it except to say that for a person who supposedly cares for others, my sister carries around an odd amount of generalized hostility.

From others I have seen, I really don't think my sister is all that unusual. Plenty of lefties wanted Terri to die, believe me.

[Poohbah]

That's not viable. No perjury was even alleged, by anyone, so far as I know.

Well, when someone says "A, definitely A" in their testimony, and then says "well, actually it was B" on cross-examination, with A and B being completely contradictory, that fits a reasonable man's definition of perjury.

[T'wit]

>> that fits a reasonable man's definition of perjury.

It would if the first statement was intentionally false swearing; not if it was inadvertent error. Self-correction is permitted before the matter becomes a crime.

Which side did you have in mind? Michael has made numerous contradictory statements under oath. I don't recall Judge Greer recoiling from those lies.

[Poohbah]

It would if the first statement was intentionally false swearing; not if it was inadvertent error.

How do you "inadvertently" state that you saw A, and then self-correct to "well, I didn't really see A like I just said I did?"

[T'wit]

>> How do you "inadvertently" state that you saw A, and then self-correct to "well, I didn't really see A like I just said I did?"

If you misremember the incident. It happens all the time.

For an example of intentional false swearing, we have Michael telling the police at the time of the incident that he and Terri had not been fighting. But they certainly had been fighting, with such ferocity that a worried friend offered to give Terri shelter that night for her safety. Michael lied to the cops. A reasonable person would call that perjury.

[Poohbah]

For an example of intentional false swearing, we have Michael telling the police at the time of the incident that he and Terri had not been fighting. But they certainly had been fighting, with such ferocity that a worried friend offered to give Terri shelter that night for her safety.

And I have to believe that she said not a f***ing thing about it until over ten years later.

I'm supposed to believe this woman?

Oh, and remember when Michael sued the doctors? How come the doctors didn't say a f***ing thing about this being caused by abuse?

Michael lied to the cops. A reasonable person would call that perjury.

Sorry, there is no evidence of that, aside from a deposition solicited by the Schindlers' lawyer, and Gibbs has, IMNHO, engaged in enough chicanery (both in questionable testimony that gets cut to shreds on cross-examination AND in legal maneuvering intended to lose the case) that I cannot accept anything he proffers at face value.

[Diva Betsy Ross]

Are you starting a ping list for that? I think some of us would like to know when to pop the bubbly and get the corn popin!

Don't let the door hit ya..... ;]

[Diva Betsy Ross]

If you weren't such a moron you would know that "that woman" spoke out many many years ago- it is just that YOU are hearing about it now. Don't let your inability to research get in your way of making a fool out of yourself.

[Modok]

Lost my glasses...what's that you belong to....the WIFF?

[KC_Conspirator]

Therefore, I would argue, their position on the Schiavo case can only be explained as stemming from something extrinsic to the case itself, namely their bigoted animus against conservatives: since conservatives support Terri Schiavo's right to live, liberals must oppose it. As a liberal professor recently said to an acquaintance of mine (and these were his exact words), "Anything Tom DeLay and those conservatives are for, I'm against."

Actually its a very good article.

I would make the argument that liberals are for forceful government, but they begged and threatened the GOP and the Bushes not use government to free Terri, but said they would use government in the form of tyrannical judges and local police to snuff her life out.

So Auster may be right.

[Poohbah]

Are you starting a ping list for that? I think some of us would like to know when to pop the bubbly and get the corn popin!

If you really insist on me pinging you to a thread that includes one of your most foolish posts ever as an evidentiary exhibit, I will be happy to accomodate you. But please don't blame me when everyone winds up assuming that you are as foolish as you will sound.

[Diva Betsy Ross]

LOL!

[Steel Wolf]

A voice of reason! I'm sure you'll get a warm welcome for treading on the local dogma. Still, I commend you for trying to find rational solutions, rather than cast irrational blame.