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Illinois Drugstores Required to Fill Birth Control Prescriptions
LA Times ^ | 4/02/2005 | Stephanie Simon

Posted on 04/02/2005 7:26:51 AM PST by Sthitch

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To: Sthitch

The govenor is looking out for those that dont have the power to get what they need and yes every business owner has the right to get rid of you if they dont like what you say or do just try yelling fire in a theater or hijack in an airport. If you dont want the job and all/ALL that comes with it dont do it. I dont want a doctor that is squemish around blood or a plumber that doesnt want to be around liberals(sp) because of the smell.


81 posted on 04/02/2005 9:19:14 AM PST by bdfromlv (leavenworth hard time)
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To: muawiyah
These are all highly regulated by jackbooted thugs from a federal agency

What? Where are you getting your info from? This is just your opinion, muawiyah, and a pretty unfair and unsubstaniated analogy.

You should stop trying to use "shock" analogies ... they make you look a little unbalanced.

82 posted on 04/02/2005 9:19:46 AM PST by softwarecreator
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To: Sthitch

I have not read all the responses, but most of them seem to ignore the real issue here--the morning after pill is not simply a contraceptive but could function as an abortifaciant. (Standard hormonal contraceptives also function part of the time as abortifaciants as well, but my understanding is that the "morning-after pill" [what a euphemism] necessarily will do so more frequently.) So the governor is bypassing the representatives of the people to force pharmacists to become potential material cooperators in abortion. That's moving abortion from a supposed "choice" for those who wish to do it to a civic duty for those in certain professions. That is a violation of conscience, in the same way that laws forcing hospitals to provide abortions or medical schools to train abortionists or (down the road, not to many miles ahead) forcing doctors to do abortions?? What has become of freedom of religion, freedom of conscience? Does citizen A's desire for an abortifaciant trump citizen B's choice to have nothing to do with what he is persuaded is immoral? Since when does the government have the power to force people to do what they believe to be morally evil?

Blago's tyranny is only the latest in a series of moves to try to force those who oppose abortion or contraception or both to become complicit in acts they belief to be wrong.

It's fine to say, "do civil disobedience and take your punishment" but surely, before a law is passed that puts people with conscientious scruples in a position of paying a professional price for their beliefs it ought to have an airing in the legislature?

Would those who see this as "no big deal" say the same if the government started ordering hospitals and medical staffs actively to participate in euthanizing babies or the disabled under the guise of carrying out a "medical procedure" rather than "filling a prescription"?

The first step is to stop calling this "contraception" and call a spade a spade: the "contraceptive abortion pill."


83 posted on 04/02/2005 9:20:10 AM PST by Dionysiusdecordealcis
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To: Sthitch

An addendum to what I just posted: the LATimes article itself is dishonest. The reports I had read said that the governor's action was prompted specifically by women complaining that Chicago Loop pharmacists refused to sell the "morning-after pill." The LATimes turns this generally into "contraceptives."

The governor's act may well be written with "contraceptives" language but that itself is a euphemism: all hormonal contraceptives and especially the "morning-after-pill" are at least partly abortifaciant. The Lie always begins with Orwellian double-speak.


84 posted on 04/02/2005 9:23:34 AM PST by Dionysiusdecordealcis
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To: SALChamps03



How would the free market sort this out when only those buying bc were being denied service?


85 posted on 04/02/2005 9:28:04 AM PST by SouthernFreebird
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To: softwarecreator
Good song but can you make it stop?

Here, let me help:

"It's a small world, after all, it's a small world after all...."

86 posted on 04/02/2005 9:31:50 AM PST by talleyman (E=mc2 (before taxes))
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To: talleyman
Here, let me help:

"It's a small world, after all, it's a small world after all...."

That's evil.

87 posted on 04/02/2005 9:33:24 AM PST by SouthernFreebird
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To: Dionysiusdecordealcis
HAH - I read all 83 posts, waiting for someone to notice that!

The misuse of language is terrible - the author equates abortion with birth control, as if there were no difference at all.

Tragic commentary on our society.

88 posted on 04/02/2005 9:42:39 AM PST by patton ("Fool," said my Muse to me, "look in thy heart, and write.")
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To: softwarecreator
I asked a pharmacist at Walgreens (didn't think of ask at Wal-Mart) and he said Walgreens views the pharmacists oath seriously and allows their pharmacist to follow it and would NEVER think of second guessing them.

He said the day they wouldn't give him that latitude he'd have to quit otherwise he wouldn't take the chance of refusing filling prescriptions that, in combination, could cause damage or questioning obviously forged prescriptions for narcotics.

He may have been stretching to make a point, but the point was they take an oath just like doctors and not every doctor is forced to perform abortions, deliver babies, etc.

89 posted on 04/02/2005 9:42:53 AM PST by Proud_texan (Proverbs 8:36 -They that hate Me love death.)
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To: talleyman
"It's a small world, after all, it's a small world after all...."

That is the worst of all ... I started humming, my wife followed, my daughter is singing it ... luckily the cats do not have the power of speech.

Tallyman, you are evil incarnate!

90 posted on 04/02/2005 9:43:53 AM PST by softwarecreator
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To: patton
the author equates abortion with birth control, as if there were no difference at all

Good call. Did not notice it. I'm so used to these liberal rants that it's scary.

I mean come on, they equate beheading of tourists and missionary workers with putting panties on the heads of terrorists ... eventually we just get immune to it.

These people are warped beyond belief.

91 posted on 04/02/2005 9:48:26 AM PST by softwarecreator
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To: softwarecreator

Words have meaning, my friend.


92 posted on 04/02/2005 9:50:39 AM PST by patton ("Fool," said my Muse to me, "look in thy heart, and write.")
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To: Dionysiusdecordealcis
Interesting point. There really IS a difference between birth control pills designed to prevent conception, and the so-called "morning after pill", which is just a human-targeted pesticide.

That said, I see the pharmacists' jobs becoming obsolete in the very near future, as we move towards mail order and Internet fulfillment of prescription purchases. It's damned expensive to have someone stand around in a white coat and count pills as they move from the big bottle to the little bottle. If there weren't so many computer-phobic old people running around, we'd have moved to this delivery model already.

93 posted on 04/02/2005 9:50:48 AM PST by hunter112 (Total victory, both in the USA and the Middle East!)
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To: patton
True, unless over used, which is what they tend to do. how many times can you say BushHitler before the horror wears off. It was only shocking the first 5,000 times.

It is one thing to make a point it is another to ram it down our throats until they just sound like blah-blah-blah.

I must have seen the "Bush lied, people died" signs half a million times.

94 posted on 04/02/2005 9:56:34 AM PST by softwarecreator
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To: Proud_texan

" and not every doctor is forced to perform abortions"

Dont' give them any ideas... that will be next.


95 posted on 04/02/2005 9:59:40 AM PST by ran15
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To: softwarecreator
Goerbells said, "keep it simple, repeat it often."

The abortion crowd is doing just that - "He would not dispense BIRTH CONTROL!"

They want the public to believe, he would not sell me a rubber.

When, in truth, the pharmacist would not sell an abortion pill.

There is a HUGE difference. Egg, meet sperm. Sperm, meet egg. Baby.

No meeting, no baby.

96 posted on 04/02/2005 10:02:43 AM PST by patton ("Fool," said my Muse to me, "look in thy heart, and write.")
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To: ran15
Dont' give them any ideas... that will be next.

And then they'll refuse to treat gay people, fat people, sluts who get VD, smokers, kids who play with toys they don't like, people of religion they aren't a part of

the list goes on.

when the floodgates open, the water just pours in.

97 posted on 04/02/2005 10:03:38 AM PST by softwarecreator
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To: patton
There is a HUGE difference. Egg, meet sperm. Sperm, meet egg. Baby.No meeting, no baby.

Great job, says it all!

98 posted on 04/02/2005 10:05:14 AM PST by softwarecreator
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To: softwarecreator

"Good point, but it is their choice. Walmart and other retailers choose not to carry Playboy, a violation of freedom of speech."

It is not a violation of free speech for them not to carry it. Using your train of thought, it is a violation of free speech not to carry every magazine published. No one does that. It's only a violation of free speech if they did carry it and you were prevented from buying it.

The analogy with the ham and the jewish checkout person is much better.


99 posted on 04/02/2005 10:48:32 AM PST by Roland3c
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To: Roland3c

I'll bet that every lawsuit about Vioxx which the chasers are currently drumming up also names a pharmacist and pharmacy as defendant. Pharmacists do have the responsibility of making sure that prescriptions don't negatively interact with other drugs the patient is taking and also of instructing the patient how to thake the prescription and advising about possible side effects. The drugs mentioned here are not completely safe.


100 posted on 04/02/2005 11:01:40 AM PST by ClaireSolt (.)
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