Posted on 04/02/2005 11:39:29 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
Edited on 04/02/2005 5:10:27 PM PST by Lead Moderator. [history]
Terri Schiavo Cremated Amid Family Feud
Saturday, April 02, 2005
TAMPA, Fla. Terri Schiavo's body was cremated Saturday as disagreements continued between her husband and her parents, who were unable to have their own independent expert observe her autopsy.
The cremation was carried out according to a court order issued Tuesday establishing that Michael Schiavo () had the right to make such decisions, said his lawyer, George Felos. He said plans for burying her ashes in Pennsylvania, where she grew up, had not yet been completed.
Terri Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, had wanted to bury their daughter in Pinellas County so they could visit her grave.
Terri Schiavo, 41, died Thursday after the removal of the feeding tube that had kept her alive since 1990, when she suffered brain damage that court-appointed doctors determined had placed her in a persistent vegetative state (). Her parents had fought in court to keep her alive, disputing the doctors' opinions and saying there was hope of improvement.
God bless her soul.
"The ME can order Greer to give him those spousal abuse reports"
Did this come out in court? Surely the parents would have known? Have they said anything in court about it?
"Ever wonder what Mikey is going to make off of the CBS movie that is now going into production?"
"The Tragedy of the Parents" would make for better Hollywood would it not?
"Ist verboten fat to be, anyone uber 200 lbs must be liquidated!
Signed, Judge Greer."
It'll never happen. The gov't would stand to lose too much money from taxing larda$$ foods.
"Irrelevant." Picky picky.....LOL
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AGREED! Me thinks Florida doesn't want to know the truth now that she is dead. It would be real ugly to find out that she wasn't as incapacitated as believed by some and also that her brain injury may not have been an accident.
"Radiologists dictate dozens of reports all day. It is not unusual for them to not be signed. And they do not remember every report. The lawyer was trying to make him look bad, an old lawyer trick."
It's not a trick. The guy was either prepared to testify or he wasn't. If he did the work he should know who signed it.
Imagine if the autopsy is done and the ME is at a loss to explain who signed it. Would you be so casual in your dismissal of such an "oversight"?
"And no doc will comment on an opinion of another doc with a different speciality."
Especially if the other doctor is more highly trained even.
Posted by Fred Nerks to DJ MacWoW; Diogenesis
On News/Activism 04/01/2005 9:29:40 PM PST · 486 of 539
15 Q What is a total -body bone scan used for http://www.zimp.org/stuff/03%20-%20WalkerDepositionDepo.htm.
(Snip.)
Q Is this compression fracture, then, in
8 common parlance, a broken back?
9 A Yes.
10 Q Is there any way to tell how old that
11 fracture would be?
12 A Well, as I've alluded to, the bone scan
13 gives some suggestion of that.
14 Q More recent rather than less recent?
15 A Correct. Typically in trauma the rule of
16 thumb is that a traumatic fracture is not active on
17 the bone scan after 12 to 18 months.
9 Q The report goes on to say, "The
10 presumption is that the other multiple areas of
11 abnormal activity also relate to previous trauma."
12 A That's what it says.
13 Q And, again, that's based on the fact that
14 Dr. Carnahan is a rehab physician, that you were
15 asked to evaluate for trauma?
16 A And the pattern of activity is fairly
17 typical of multiple traumatic injuries of relatively
18 recent origin.
19 Q I realize you can't assign a cause to
20 these injuries that you picked up in this report.
21 But typically in your experience, what would be the
22 causes of this pattern of abnormality?
23 A In somebody her age, an auto accident is
24 by far the most typical cause.
25 Q Assume that she was not in an auto
1 accident but that she had suffered an anoxic or
2 hypoxic encephalopathy type of injury from a cardiac
3 arrest and had been bedridden for a year at this
4 point. What might account for these abnormalities?
5 A In my knowledge, that type of injury
6 would not account for this pattern of abnormalities.
5 Q Okay. Is this a pattern of heterotrophic
6 ossification as reported in the literature that you
7 looked at?
8 A Not typically.
9 Q What makes it atypical?
10 A Well, if I were to pick one thing, I
11 would say the activity in the ribs is not typical.
12 And typically heterotrophic ossification occurs
13 around the joints because they're not being moved.
14 And typically you will see on the radiographs
15 calcium deposits actually sitting there. And they
16 don't look like periosteal reaction typically
17 either; they have a different appearance.
4 Q Can you say, then, within a reasonable
5 degree of medical certainty whether this bone scan
6 is consistent with heterotrophic ossification?
7 A In my knowledge, it's not consistent with
8 heterotrophic ossification as I typically see it.
21 Q Okay. And later on in your direct
22 examination you were saying that traumatic fractures
23 typically are not active on a bone scan after 12 to
24 18 months. Is that correct?
25 A That's correct.
19 Q Okay. Is there any way for you to say
20 from looking at this report when any of these
21 occurrences took place that caused the abnormality
22 to appear on the bone scan?
23 A I can only say that if they were
24 traumatic that they probably occurred within 18
25 months.
TERRI SUFFERED A SPINAL INJURY. WE WANT TO KNOW HOW IT HAPPENED!
They sure are. This is the worst travesty I have ever seen. I just hope these people who have enabled the Scientologists to do this to Terri are never in the same position as she was.
"Her friends and family admitted it ages ago - now it's all revisionist history... "
If you don't like revisionist history, then quit taking part in it.
Michael Schiavo said that "Terri's friends and family admitted it years ago".
None of Terri's friends and family have admitted to this at all.
"What I really find sad is the amount of people making this into a political issue."
Humm. Well, let me see here. There was a court case to deterimine whether or not a feeding tube should be removed from Terri. She was never in the courtroom. She had a Guardian ad litum for about a year, (this case is 8 years old), she never had a representative there looking out only for her rights, and now she is dead. And you think this is being politicized? You act as if this is OK with you?
I have to wander if your mind would change if your life was on trial and you could not speak for yourself, and you had left nothing in writing, and you couldn't even have an attorney present throughout the case to look out for your rights.
That sums it up. A travesty.
"By "impartial observer" do you mean the parent's "hired gun"? *rolls eyes*"
Actually, the medical examiner was supposed to allow observers from both sides and he allowed no observer from either side.
Good.
Thanks for the info.
It is truly sad that Teri's parents need a court order or the law for that information.
By what law was Terri denied so much as a damp sponge?
Note that while the laws allow for withdrawal of 'artificial' food and hydration, they do not allow for the withdrawal of oral food and hydration, nor do they allow for the withdrawal of pallative care.
I am well aware that when there were no efforts to deny gastrostomic feeding doctors thought oral feeding was sufficiently dangerous as to preclude pursuing it. That in no way justifies a refusal to allow it when the only alternative was absolute 100% guaranteed death. Even if oral feeding only had a 10% chance or even 1% chance of success, there was no legitimate reason to deny it.
I often get the impression that there are some doctors who practice in hospitals and others who "practice" in the courtroom. Unfortunately, I suspect the latter are often given considerable credibility even when they deserve none, while the former are often given little crediblity even when they deserve much.
It's even sadder that there's no way they'll ever know if they got it.
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