Posted on 04/12/2005 4:05:42 AM PDT by Boston Blackie
Invoking symbols ranging from the Revolutionary War to Martin Luther King Jr., armed vigilantes are patrolling a segment of the Arizona-Mexico border and taking the enforcement of immigration law into their own hands. While they claim only to offer support to the Border Patrol, the Mexican government is on edge, human rights activists have flooded the area, and President Bush has distanced himself from the effort.
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I don't feed on anything. You were the first one in this thread to bring up those polls. Sorry to have hoisted you on your own petard.
That is a 7.4 % difference. Non-members make a difference.
It is the illegals who get exploited.
Sounds good to me, but I doubt it will happen anytime soon. The employers who depend on cheap illegal labor are also campaign contributors.
The fact remains: most support a guest worker program. This country has been using them for over 50 years.
A recent poll of FR members show support of guest worker plans at over 2 to 1. 60% for and 28% opposed.
Then you go on to say:
This is not a scientific poll. It has no basis in society.
What is it ?
From your #166: The fact remains: most support a guest worker program.
Who are "most" and do you have a link that supports that fact ?
I have never supported illegal immigration. I have stated uncountable times that i support guest workers.
You and all the others are compelled to to try to paint anyone who disagrees with on mass deportation as OBL,aclu,MECha, etc, etc, etc.
It is poll 177 and has been linked above.
We'll see. I know that many people outside of the border states and heavily agricultural states are not fully aware of the extent of the illegal alien situation, nor the multi-billion dollar illegal industries of people smuggling, document forgery and identity theft that are built on top of the illegal alien industry, nor how those industries are tailor made for terrorists wishing to get into the country.
But that is changing, thanks to the attention the MMP, Lou Dobbs, Bill O' Reilly, FAIR, AILPAC, Michelle Malkin, and many many others are bringing to the issue.
I suspect that many people will support a guest worker program, as I do, that does not in any way reward illegals for their sneaking into this country illegally and enabling the other illegal industries (people smuggling, document forgery, etc.). Another Bracero type program may be just what the doctor ordered, but it cannot be given to people in this country illegally. That is an amnesty, and amnesty for illegals is a guaranteed failure. You want to be a guest worker here? Apply for it from your home country. Period. Anything else, any amnesty at all, is a magnet for more illegality, as the amnesty of 1986 showed us.
"FR is a far right website and functions as an internet center of the anti immigrant crowd."
Anti ILLEGAL ILLEGAL say it 100 times illegal illegal
ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION Tell the truth Ben, I know you can one in a while. ILLEGAL immigration, Ben
c'mon Ben, If FR is so "right wing" why don't you leave, so we can increase FR's mean average IQ.
Fact: the Latinization of the US cannot be stopped
Fact: the US is already following the pattern of every
other two-tier society in Latin America
Fact: every society/culture throughout history has failed (
and it always comes from within) - the US is no different
Aside from your first point, I agree. You won't get an argument from me as to the nation-ending implications that Mexico's unchecked Invasion of America represents or how entrenched corruption has brought down all civilizations eventually.
Where I disagree is the notion that ending or at least seriously rolling back illegal immigration and exercising sovereignty over our borders is an impossible task.
While the Latinization of American may very well be an unstoppable force to some degree, ending the plight of illegal immigration is not. The fight against illegal immigration has finally begun in earnest and many variables are in play, including millions of Hispanics that don't like what is happening to our country either. We have many compadres here. This event is IMO too dynamic to predict...smart money aside.
But, if your position of one of resignation to the so-called inevitable so "sit back and enjoy it" and vote Republican no matter what the party does, you can leave me out.
Whether America survives this crisis or not, any republican that casts their lot in with the Open Border Lobby and Mexico will never see my vote and I have plenty of company. This whole issue has the potential of splitting the Republican Party in half and ending its majority control. That's a very possible “Reality” (since you are so into that) which You had better come to grips with.
Many of us are not going to go quietly into the night as our political leaders sell out America to the highest bidders. There is going to be plenty of negative consequences for both parties if nothing is done about illegal immigration as the future unfolds.
Let me slow down and clarify.
There is a FR poll that show 60% of freepers support a guest worker plan. At the same time, there are many indicators that the general population, including more moderate pubs, independants, and democrats, support a guest worker at even higher percentages.
There is another FR poll that indicates that 45% of freepers support militarizing the border. It is safe to say that this same 45% support mass deportations. Unlike the above poll on guest workers, the general public does not favor mass deportation or militarizing the border at anywhere near 45%.
Essentially 100% of Congress supports guest workers. Essentially 0% of Congress supports deportations and and militarizing the border.
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"I have belonged to the ACLU for over 40 years..." --harrowup "I am also a Democrat..." --harrowup "I love beating up on Republicans and Libertarians and especially conservatives." --harrowup
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There is nothing you can say that will ever be more revealing than your admission that you have been a life-long member and apologist for the Anti-Amerian, communist-front group, the ACLU, and an unrepentant liberal member of the Democrat Party (the party of treason), and especially your confession to being a troll and disruptor.
--Boot Hill
If I left, who would torment you?
The only thing MMP is doing is shifting the illegal traffic elsewhere. In the process MMP is interupting cross- border commerce, creating hardship for many.
After MMP is gone, the illegal traffic will quikly return. The cross-border commerce will return much more slowly.
If you had any guts you would just admit you support a totally open border.
It costs a lot of money. In the time required to do it, the economy will crash. You have to create a huge bureaucracy.
"Once again, you are trying to paint those who support a guest worker plan as obl, aclu, etc, etc."
I am not painting anything. I am tired of reading anti- immigration monikers for those who oppose ILLEGAL immigration. My wife is from China, and it cost me 2 years, and a bundle of money to get her here LEGALLY. And she holds a nursing degree fom an American University to boot.
Once again, your only argument is to try to paint those who disagree with you as obl, aclu, etc
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