[anniegetyourgun]

Everbody's gettin' in on the try-to-influence-the-next-pope-selection act.....

[wideawake]

More research on the Czech claim. The "woman priest" belonged to a splinter sect called "Koinotes" - she was "ordained" illegitimately - without the permission of Archbishop Tomacek by this "Koinotes" group.

After the Soviet Union fell, Koinotes sought recognition from the Vatican as a separate catholic prelature. Their request was denied and they were instructed to rejoin the wider Church.

[rockabyebaby]

Attention Women: GIVE IT UP. The Catholic religion is based on TRADITION and NOT changing times. Get over yourselves already, you can't have it all.

[Cowboy Bob]

Founded in 1975, WOC promotes the voices of Catholic women excluded from official church structures.

Interesting. Nowhere does it say that the members of WOC are Catholic.

[ArrogantBustard]

What part of "NO" don't these ninnies understand?

Roma locuta. Causa finita est.

[infidel dog]

The WOC...Lousy Catholics, lousy theologians, lousy historians. Another nest of leftist cockroaches scuttling about in the dark corners of the Church. I pray for a Pope with heavy black police shoes to crush these insects under heel...

[don-o]

ping

Get over here.

please

[B Knotts]

APOSTOLIC LETTER ORDINATIO SACERDOTALIS OF JOHN PAUL II TO THE BISHOPS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ON RESERVING PRIESTLY ORDINATION TO MEN ALONE

Responsum ad Dubium Concerning the Teaching Contained in Ordinatio Sacerdotalis

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

The vast majority of the liberal feminists involved with this would not be qualified for ordination or holy orders for reasons OTHER than just their gender. Many of these women are feminists or struggling with gender identity issues. Ugly and obese women usually vent a lot of anger at men for reasons other than just disagreements about theology which they use to get attention. But women struggling with mental illness issues and other unresolved emotional complexes would not be qualified for religious life. Psychic disorders in general are an impediment on sound canonical grounds.

[sionnsar]

From an Anglican blog earlier this year, Womens' Ordination (reasons against). Also the AMiA produced a document against.

[Right_in_Virginia]

the Women’s Ordination Conference (WOC)

I suggest they find a different Church.

[Apercu]

Just what Catholics need - secular feminism corrupting it's traditons through women in the priesthood. If they can't come to the party & make everyone listen to THEIR music, they want to spoil it for everyone else. If they don't like it, become a Wiccan or Druid.

[postvat]

When priests become nuns and can carry living human beings inside them will nuns and women become priests.

Women share in life with their specially prepared bodies and minds which are far superiorr to men in compassion and care giving. They can form communities to relieve suffering and teach God's kingdom and many other things.

If humans were all equal in every and all ways, why, according to the bible, was Eve punished in the Garden of Eden only AFTER Adam himself ate of the forbidden fruit. Only after Adam ate did God punish Eve.

I believe Adam could have and should have protected Eve from the creature in the garden and he didn't. Remember, Adam named Eve.

I admit this isn't all deep provable stuff, just some of my own thoughts.

Women and men have different roles and bodies. Even Jesus did not "snatch" at equality with the Father. He said choose the last place, not the first.

[miele man]

"...in 1976 the Vatican’s own Pontifical Biblical Commission concluded that there is no scriptural reason to prohibit women’s ordination."

Pray tell, which theologically liberal Cardinals and Bishops constituted this "commission"?

No doubt, the liberal Roman Catholics will parrot what the apostates in the Episcopal Church said that Jesus picked all male apostles because He was "culturally conditioned".

[NYer]

In May 1994, Pope John Paul II issued an Apostolic Letter Ordinatio Sacerdotalis on Reserving Priestly Ordination to Men Alone.1 In this document, the Successor of Peter and the Vicar of Christ on earth reiterated in a particularly solemn manner a Church teaching to the effect that "the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women."

The Holy Father declared that this judgment was "to be definitively held by all the Church's faithful." He said that he was issuing this judgment "in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church's divine constitution itself." He said that he was speaking in virtue of his "ministry of confirming the brethren (Luke 22:32)."

"Rome has spoken," but the "cause" goes on and on anyway. The pope declared infallibly that there is to be no female ordinations.

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[Conservative til I die]

“First and foremost, God calls women to be priests. Women and men are equally created in the image of God; therefore, the church should embrace the gifts of women in all levels of ministry,”

Equality does not mean same.

“There is no biblical or theological reason to keep women from the priesthood,” continued Barnes. The Vatican states women cannot be priests because in the gospels Jesus chose only male apostles. However, in 1976 the Vatican’s own Pontifical Biblical Commission concluded that there is no scriptural reason to prohibit women’s ordination.

Unfortunately for Barnes, we aren't Protestants and don't believe in sola scriptura. This is assuming she isn't taking the PBC's statements out of context, which may entirely be the case.

Boy, for the talk at the beginning of this article about the WOC proving historically and scripturally the case for female ordination, all we get was a couple of platitudes about Christ's message and an argument from silence (i.e., the Bible doesn't expressly condemn it, so...")

[muir_redwoods]

It's an odd position that says that Charlie Manson would be a more acceptable candidate for the priesthood than Mother Theresa might have been.

[It's me]

There is no biblical or theological reason to keep women from the priesthood,” continued Barnes.

Funny how Jesus only had men with Him during the Last Supper. Which, by hte way, was when the priesthood was instituted. Do you think He was trying to tell us something?

[Ramonchito]

In the first place, in the Catholic Church, the pope is the only legal theologian in the Church. It means that the pope is the only one who can rule on matter of faith and morals. Protestants called this legal dictatorship and cited many passages in the Bible that indicates that the practice goes contrary to the Bible.

In actual reality, the pope has used this dictatorial powers rather very sparingly. For one thing, it is a practice among popes to veer away from controversial doctrines even though the pope is acknowledged as the sole theologian in the Church as a custom.

Actually, the pope is nothing but a paper tiger when it comes into administration of Church matters. Although it controls the appointment of bishops, it has nothing to do with the finances of the Church. Each religious corporation organized under the Catholic Church is virtually independent from each other with no central authority governing their actions. The pope seldom removed erring bishops from office knowing that the practice could encourage schisms within the Church.

Although the recent popes have talked about ordaining married priests into the priesthood in their encyclicals, it will take a long time before we see married priests in the Church. It would take just about that length of time to see women priest also in the Church.

[pgkdan]

At this pivotal time in the Catholic Church, the Women’s Ordination Conference (WOC), a feminist voice for women in the church, provides the theological, biblical, and historical reasons for ordaining women.

Of which there are none, so cover your heads and sit down and shut up ladies. (Speaking to the WOC...not you Annie)

[HighlyOpinionated]

In a word: NNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

And I'm a woman and I don't want to ever see a woman Priest in a Catholic Church. If a woman feels called to be a priest, she can be one in the Episcopal Church, but I hope to G*d NEVER in the Catholic Church.

What's the matter? A woman can become a Religious (aka Nun, Sister).

Jesus chose 12 disciples. All men. Yes, the women had a very integral part to play in His life and passion.

For instance: When Jesus send the disciples on ahead to find a place for the Passover (last supper), he tells them to go looking for some donkeys tied up and ask the men there where the place is prepared for Jesus. Now did you ever think, hmmmm. How'd the men with the donkeys know where to send the disciples to find the room already prepared?? Well, Mary (His Mother) and the other women had prepared the room and she let the men with the donkeys know that someone would be coming to ask about a room for the Passover. She told them to send them up to the room that she and the women had prepared for her Son and his disciples. The women were already in the room when Jesus arrived.

Women have an integral part to play in the life of the Church and the life of their family. THAT's part of the reason that G*d instituted marriage between a MAN and a WOman. Each has a part to play to create the whole.

Something would be missing if there were no women assisting in the Church. But they were not commissioned to spread the news that the kingdom of heaven is at hand when Jesus sent out the men in two by twos. The men were. They were not seated at the Last Supper Table. The men were. Yet, it was the women who went early to the tomb to finish the task of embalming Jesus. It was a woman and a Samaritan at that, who "preached" or witnessed to her entire town and brought them to Jesus.

Each person and each gender (of which there are only two) has a place and a reason for being on this earth.

And even though Protestants allow women to be priests or ministers, it is my fervent prayer that the Catholic Church never ever permits women to become priests.

Not that I'm Highly Opinionated or anything.