Totalization With Mexico Could "Total" Social Security

Men's News Daily - The Gunners Corner ^ | Monday, April 18, 2005 | Mike Minton

[blackie]

That's very funny ~ Bump!

[WRhine]

Gee, when it comes to illegal immigration we've had to endure anchor babies/chain migration, huge increases in healthcare premiums to offset hospital care for illegals, Motor Voter / open invitation to massive vote fraud, tens of billions in other related "services" to them, etc........looks more and more like Congress and other fedgov types are bound and determined to force national suicide on us at every turn.

And Bush is leading the national suicide charge. These extra-rights and mind-boggling array of social services afforded to Illegal Aliens did not happen by accident or oversight. This is the stuff of calculated treason and betrayal on the part of our so-called leadership.

It could not be clearer that "Our" government no longer represents or answers to the Citizens of America. It has other masters and other agendas that are diametrically opposed to the interests and welfare of the American People. The historic parallel is the rampant, pervasive corruption in the government of Rome that ultimately brought down the Roman Empire.

Excellent post American Spirit!

[WRhine]

BTW, one of the most informed posters on this subject is Hedge Trimmer. He has been an excellent source of info, and has plenty of links, if you are interested.

Thanks FBD. Yes, I am well aware of hedgetrimmer's incredible research into the interconnected web of globalist networks that are committed to destroying America's sovereignty in the name of regional/world governance. hedgertrimmer's work is invaluable and simply inspiring.

And many thanks to you for your great work on this issue.

[american spirit]

Thanks and I want to also applaud you, hedgetrimmer and the rest for your insightfulness as well as the hardcore info constantly provided on this whole immigration travesty. I do notice the pom-pom crew for open borders seems to have dwindled quite a bit.......guess it's pretty hard to constantly try to 'defend the indefensible' vs. the America First crowd here at FR.

[Czar]

You will note that our boy Ben quickly disappeared after his drive-by posting (#12). The FOQNAs always do this to avoid questions for which they have no real answers.

Thanks for the good information contained in your posted article.

[Ben Ficklin]

The real problem with your position is that actuarial science is not subject to emotional rhetoric and spinning.

The SS Administration uncountable actuaries who do nothing but cruch numbers all day-every day.

[Ben Ficklin]

I had to go to walmart and buy a new coffee maker.

Next time I need a break, should I check with you first?

[Czar]

"Next time I need a break, should I check with you first?"

It would certainly help us keep track of which of you FOQNAs are at your duty stations...

[hedgetrimmer]

In a country whose Constitutional foundation says that law should come from the people-- that is the self-governing responsible morally upright individual governs through local, state then federal lawmaking-- isn't it funny how many of the policies and directives that are shaping our federal government today are coming from outside the country, from the internationalists and global socialists?

Think about it. Sustainable development-- a plan to decimate private property in America, pushed down from the federal government to state and local government comes from Maurice Strong and Gro Harlem Brundtlandt of the International Socialist Party and the United Nations. The plan to integrate the western hemisphere into a "trading bloc" comes from a tripartite committee that met in South America, consisting of the Inter-American Development Bank (IDB) and the United Nations Economic Commission for Latin America and the Caribbean (ECLAC) and the OAS, and the lowering of our food safety standards through the phytosanitary harmonization plan forced on the United States by the WTO and assorted international "working groups"-- all are international plans pushed down on sovereign American citizens via our Presidents and Congress. Its pretty obvious at the federal level especially, we have officials who no longer represent the will of the people of the United States. It has nothing to do with SSA actuaries, really.

In these times, all politics in the United States are international. Even things you might consider small, like a community plan forced on a town or burg by their county government has its origin in international socialist politics. Its time the American people wake up to this and stand up for their country and their rights.

[Ben Ficklin]

If you start using words like phytosanitary, I'll have to go buy a bigger dictionary.

[raybbr]

Thanks for the ping.

The other thing that Bennie conveniently leaves out is the cost to the U.S. taxpayer when all those honorable illegals who have come to the rescue of SS becom eligible for SS.

What then Ben? How do we keep the pyramid growing?

[Ben Ficklin]

If all the illegals are deported, or converted into guest workers, all the money going into the Earnings Suspense File stops.

Many will say that one of the reasons that Congress has been reluctant to deal with illegals, is they hate to see that money stop, since it has extended out the projected date of insolvency.

[raybbr]

That doesn't quite anwer the question. You linked to a story that comes to the convoluted conclusion that illegals will save SS by paying in and not being able to take out monies.

This article is claiming that the Bush admin. wants to grant them the right to claim those monies. (However, with the State Department and the Social Security Administration having now signed onto the idea of Totalization with Mexico, it has become an issue that could devastate the American Social Security system, and therefore, an issue which needs to be brought to the attention of EVERY AMERICAN! As I view it, this literally has the potential to bankrupt our retirement system.)

I asked you to explain how adding millions of workers (who never reach the maximum paid into SS) to SS eligibility will enhance SS solvency.

[La Enchiladita]

Further complicating this issue is the fact that once a beneficiary of this Treaty returns to Mexico, his/her spouse and dependants also become eligible for U.S. Social Security benefits.

Maybe this is why the President wants to get Americans off of Social Security, to make way for his beloved Mexicans.

[La Enchiladita]

The U.S.A. is a dog with a severe flea problem.

[La Enchiladita]

Is this what the prez meant by "political capital?"

[Ben Ficklin]

I'll try.

The requirement is proof. An illegal must have proof that he paid in. He must have his pay records/pay stubs.

He must be able to prove that he is the person mentioned in the records/stubs.

The employer must verify the records and the SS administration must also verify.

No doubt, some of these illegals have kept these records and will qualify. But most likely, very few.

[La Enchiladita]

...The plan to integrate the western hemisphere into a "trading bloc" comes from a tripartite committee that met in South America, consisting of the Inter-American Development Bank (IDB) and the United Nations Economic Commission for Latin America and the Caribbean (ECLAC) and the OAS,...

Did the Tripartite Commission begin during the Carter years.. or earlier?

[Travis McGee]

bttt

[hedgetrimmer]

I'll try to find that out.

Jimmy Carter gave us the EPA which is the enforcing arm of the global socialist Sustainable Development plan of the United Nations.

Bush,Clinton,Bush are concentrating on the economic aspects with the NAFTA, GATT, CAFTA and FTAA.

If you look at the base philosophy of all this, its basically the Nazi Germany philosophy of the 3 E's, Economics, Environment and Education. Of course we all know the state of our education system. Carter set up the environmental stuff, which Clinton pushed with a vengence and the last 3 presidents have worked on the education and economics aspect.