Calaveras County Safe Again (ATF at it Again!)

http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=4458 ^ | 4/29/05 | Jeff Knox

[Brad’s Gramma]

Idaho? PLEASE stay on your toes....and inform your friends. I read (heard?) somewhere, that that state has become a hot place for the Hollywood crowd. They're buying land up there is what I heard.

Ya know what comes with them.....their liberal ideas.

[El Gato]

Two ways to get to the firearms coalition:

http://www.firearmscoalition.org/

http://www.nealknox.com/

I also should have included Neal and Jay's daughters Shan and Stacey as well as their sons Chris and Jeff.

Speaking of shooting. Someone is shooting outside (11:41PM here) but not some little popgun like a .50 BMG. Sounds like either tank or artillery fire. Since I'm only a few miles from some of the ranges at Ft. Hood, it could be either and my Air Force ear isn't yet tuned to Army well enough to tell the difference.

[Squantos]

Kewl......Thanks !

[Myrddin]

Idaho? PLEASE stay on your toes....and inform your friends. I read (heard?) somewhere, that that state has become a hot place for the Hollywood crowd. They're buying land up there is what I heard.

We already have slime like Kerry and Soros hanging out around Sun Valley. The lefties inhabit Boise and Nampa. It is blue territory. The rest of the state is very conservative.

Everyone on my cul-de-sac is from Calfornia except my next door neighbor. We are all very conservative. The native Idahoan next door acts more like an ill behaved Californian. He owns a real estate marketing company called "HomeSeekers".

[Brad’s Gramma]

FRmail.

[El Gato]

Just to clarify, what exactly was it the ATF did 'again'?

They turned in a federally licensed dealer, with an import license, a "regular" federal firearms license, and a Class III dealer's license (license to sell, and thus buy from suppliers, machine guns) to state authorities, in violation of federal law. This where there was no violation of federal laws or regulations that the BATFE is supposed to be enforcing.

So yes indeed, they are "at it again" or more properly "still at it".

[El Gato]

As if they had nothing better to do, flipped through the names of people with class 3 licenses and said "Let's nail him."

Nope, BATFE turned them in to the state authorities. It's too bad they didn't do what you say, because class 3 licenses are *tax* records, subject to federal privacy laws.

[Allosaurs_r_us]

Maybe it isn't such an outrage on the new FR. -- Only 2 replies from over 60 lurkers..

 

You sir, owe us an apology for this snide remark! The story was posted at 5:23, you pissed on our cornflakes at 5:53. Sorry you think we should jump on a thread you think we should read first a mere 30 minutes after it was posted. It is now 9:56 and this is the first I have seen this blinkin story and I'll thank you to keep your insults to yourself!

 

Perhaps next time you will give your fellow FReepers the benefit of the doubt before spewing horse nuggets toward them.

 

Oh BTW there are now 63 posts and 414 lurkers and counting. Just in case you give a bull durham! If you are not happy with the clientele, jump on outa here and let those of us who try to be civil conduct debate.

 

While I am sure we have acquired a number of idiots (what is the total subscription?) and they play insert foot in mouth, overall this is the greatest forum on the web. With this many people you can't possibly think they all are going to think just like you and respond with the speed you think relevant.

[El Gato]

he retiring of the 1994 AW ban was the first time in my lifetime that a gun law was removed from the books

You weren't around in 1986? The Firearms Owners Protection act killed many of the provisions of the '68 Gun Control Act. The ban on interstate sale of ammunition for instance, and the requirement to show ID and "sign the book" at the retail outlet when buying handgun ammunition, including .22 long rifle. (and .22 short!). The bill also provided protection for those transporting firearms from one jurisdiction to another, through a third jurisdiction where otherwise possession would be illegal.

Sadly a last minute amendment also banned manufacture or import of new machine guns for the civilian market.

[Allosaurs_r_us]

Of course, to some misguided FReepers here, -- Wilmshurst has no 2nd Amendment rights in California.

 

Is that true? I haven't run across anything but a couple of idiots that couldn't find their butts with a flashlight. They generally disappear with any factual debate.

 

Perhaps we need a ping list. LOL

[Allosaurs_r_us]

How dare Wilmshurst appeal my ruling!

 

Sure looks to me like he should have stepped asside. Judges are supposed to at least look like they are impartial. Lately it appears just the opposite.

 

Who was Wilmshurst's attorney? Doesn't appear to have much on the ball. Of course, this has appeals court written all over it. Perhaps that was the strategy all along. I sure as hell don't see it surviving appeal. But then again, it is the 9th circuit.

[brazzaville]

Good evening.

This sounds like something out of Unintended Consequences.

I wonder if the ATF agent broke a nail.

Michael Frazier

[El Gato]

And just how do they argue that the 2d does not apply in California?

They take an old case, no longer "good law", with respect to other BoR protections at least, and pretend that the 14th amendment did not apply the 2nd to state governments.

Of course some pre 14th amendment judges, (see Nunn v. State, 1 Kelly 243 (Ga. 1846) from the Georgia Supreme Court and some early commentators on the second amendment argued that unlike the first, which says "Congress shall make no law", the second applied to the states all along.

William Rawle, authored "A View of the Constitution of the United States of America" (1829). His work was adopted as a constitutional law textbook at West Point and other institutions. In Chapter 10 he describes the scope of the Second Amendment's right to keep and bear arms:

The prohibition is general. No clause in the constitution could by any rule of construction be conceived to give congress a power to disarm the people. Such a flagitious attempt could only be made under some general pretence by a state legislature. But if in any blind pursuit of inordinate power, either should attempt it, this amendment may be appealed to as a restraint on both.

[Petruchio]

Maybe it isn't such an outrage on the new FR. -- Only 2 replies from over 60 lurkers..

This is an official reply, you are free to count it along with the other replies above.

[quietolong]

Right know I’m reading:

Broken
The Troubled Past and Uncertain Future of the FBI
Richard Gid Powers
2004
From the book:

In 1933 when it was decided to merge several bureaus. Hover did not want the 1200 “Dry Agents” from the Prohibition Bureau. Because they were hopelessly corrupt. And Hover did not want them corrupting or tarnishing his special agents.
So Hover setup a new Alcoholic Beverage Unit. To keep the Dry Agents from contaminating his men.

Guess what there called now.

[flashbunny]

Actually the 9th circuit had a ruling that said the 34 NFA shouldn't apply to home made machine guns because there is no interstate commerce angle, and therefore no grounds for federal involvement.

Occassionally they get one right.

[MeekOneGOP]

[King Prout]

good mornioning, meekie!

[MeekOneGOP]

Morning! :)

And since this IS a Calaveras thread:

[King Prout]

well, as Mr. Twain might say:
"There is nothing wrong with the BATFE... except for the agents"