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Breaking News: > Republicans win right to challenge Wash. state election
KGW ^ | 5/2/05 | KGW

Posted on 05/02/2005 9:54:22 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum

Republicans win right to challenge Wash. state election: Republicans have won a victory in their challenge to the election of Governor Gregoire. The judge says Republicans will be allowed to use "proportional analysis" to prove their case that illegal votes swayed the election.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: dinorossi; fraudoire; gopfacists; gregoire; howtostealanelection; justicebeckons; letitgo; republicanthiefs; rossi; sovietofwashington; stolenelection; theft; themostcorruptstate; washingtonelections; whininggop
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Nice job to everyone who worked for this, good luck!


121 posted on 05/02/2005 11:44:57 AM PDT by Celtic Rose (It may be prudent in me to act sometimes by other men's reason, but I can think only by my own)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

"Porportional Analysis" Call me old fashioned but I think actual votes should be counted, not some statistical analysis. Especially when this is so close. I don't think this would have flown with Freepers if Gore had tried something like this in FL (he even may have if I recall).


122 posted on 05/02/2005 11:46:39 AM PDT by OneTimeLurker
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Judge veriies GOP has rights to look into democratic voting shennanigans!

"Uh oh, I'm not wearing any underwear" -- Washington Democratic Party doing impression of Dustin Hoffman's Rainman


123 posted on 05/02/2005 11:50:23 AM PDT by sully777 (If anyone asks, I'm a monger-monger.)
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To: Cboldt

We have different definitions for 'coarse'. Mine is less mixes, less averaged, less smooth, more raw. In that sense, precinct level is more raw.

But the issue may be moot nonetheless since the offsets the dems are claiming have reportedly come from properly registered voters. It would be hypocritical (no surprise there) for dems to disallow votes of properly registered voters whose ballots were verified out-of-sequence through no fault of their own.

On the other hand, felons in pro-Rossi counties that voted illegally could be disproportionately assigned at the county level versus the precinct level. The republicans had best get crackin at checking out these purported felon votes.


124 posted on 05/02/2005 11:51:55 AM PDT by Hostage
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

had Christine hung the drapes yet ?

this is just wonderful news ... go WA-GOP and soon-to-be Gov Rossi


125 posted on 05/02/2005 11:52:12 AM PDT by EDINVA (i)
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To: soundandvision
We are following Washington State Constitution guidelines concerning challenging elections, whether it be fraud or mistakes greater than the margin of victory.
126 posted on 05/02/2005 11:53:36 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: OneTimeLurker
They counted and ended up with 1800 more ballots than voters in King County. Then you factor in the felon, dead, double voters and the provisionals you get a huge number. Who do you take the votes from unless you use a proportional analysis?
127 posted on 05/02/2005 11:58:15 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Bump!


128 posted on 05/02/2005 11:58:21 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: OneTimeLurker
I trust that you understand the concept of a secret ballot, correct?

The whole point is that you can't know who voted for whom - your vote is secret!

There is also the issue of more votes cast than voters registered. How do you reconcile that?

Should we do as the 'rats suggest and subpoena all the felons accused of voting (illegally) and have them testify (against their fifth amendment rights) as to who they voted for?

Sure it would be nice to just count the votes (Note: we did that - TWICE! - and won!). The 'rats are doing what they do best - manipulating the vote in order to win at any cost.

This time, we're protesting!
129 posted on 05/02/2005 11:59:35 AM PDT by rockrr (Revote or Revolt! It's up to you Washington!)
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To: Carry_Okie

See post #124.

The breakdown of voting districts into finer gradations (yes precinct is finer than county in that sense) leads to more coarse data in smaller groups. The 'proportional assignment' is more coarse (= less smooth, less averaged, more raw) at the precinct level than at the county level.

Semantics aside (and the above are the proper statistical semantics) the issue comes to accuracy and what constitutes 'illegal' or improper ballot.


130 posted on 05/02/2005 12:01:08 PM PDT by Hostage
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Excellent!


131 posted on 05/02/2005 12:02:10 PM PDT by The Mayor (www.RusThompson.com)
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To: soundandvision
Let it go --

I respectfully disagree. We must fight them everywhere at every turnm at every opportunity. They must be pounded into submission.

132 posted on 05/02/2005 12:02:31 PM PDT by MattinNJ (Stop voter fraud-enact voter ID cards with photos w/ magnetic stripes that prevent multiple voting)
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To: Eva

I suspect MoveOn.org herded their student following to the university voting site. I would not be surprised to see those votes going overwhelmingly for Gregoire.

But it may be a moot issue. The votes were apparently verified later rather than before they were counted, hence they will likely be deemed proper and allowed to stand. That means they can't be proportionally assigned, hence the county versus precinct level assignment is unnecessary.

But then there are the purported felon vote offset in pro-Rossi counties.......Repubs better get crackin to check those out.


133 posted on 05/02/2005 12:06:51 PM PDT by Hostage
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To: paltz
”The Republicans claim they identified more than 1,000 illegal votes… the Republicans would deduct six votes from Gregoire and four from Rossi. … Christine Gregoire, who won by 129 votes…”

Not a strong case. As is the criminal party will win this case.

134 posted on 05/02/2005 12:08:46 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn
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To: IMissPresidentReagan
however, I hope this does not backfire and provide Democrats with a platform upon which to build lawsuits for the presidency. The whole situation I think puts us all in a precarious situation because we either ignore voter fraud and genuinely disenfranchised voters; OR we (and by we, I'm speaking in generalities, as I neither reside in nor vote in Washington state) stand up for those whose votes were overlooked, not counted, manipulated, etc., yet give ammunition to the Democrats for future court battles. Unfortunately a great majority of those on the beach are left leaning at best (from my experience anyway) so the law suit could end up making Republicans look just as bad as Algore looked in 2000.

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I'm sorry-are you suggesting that the Republican Party is guilty of voter fraud?

135 posted on 05/02/2005 12:12:11 PM PDT by trisham ("Live Free or Die," General John Stark, July 31, 1809)
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To: Howlin; OXENinFLA

Good news
Thanks for the pings


136 posted on 05/02/2005 12:13:35 PM PDT by firewalk
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To: soundandvision
I think we should let it go... everyone there and throughout the whole country knows that the election was a fraud.

Now that's some weird logic for ya'. Let it go because "everyone knows it was a fraud". Oh really? Maybe everyone in your circle of friends - maybe. Statements like this really scare me. We should step up prosecution for these crimes or the dems will be emboldened to cheat even more. Most of the sheeple out there probably don't even know there was any controversy over this election and would never hear about it unless it gets overturned and makes some real news.

137 posted on 05/02/2005 12:17:45 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: soundandvision
"everyone there and throughout the whole country knows that the election was a fraud. "

interesting point but I don't think they do. Even at that dems don't have a problem with corruption as long as their side wins.

138 posted on 05/02/2005 12:20:40 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn
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To: Hostage

It would be interesting to see if the college voters, voted twice, once absentee, once at college.


139 posted on 05/02/2005 12:21:54 PM PDT by Eva
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To: trisham

This poster makes some valid points. The democrat leftist operatives such as MoveOn.org have provided plenty of interviews whereby it is obvious to the most casual observer that they scoff at rules, procedures and law.

What this poster is perhaps referring to is the threat that these leftist operators could insert poison pills into elections by fabricating false ballots in republican strongholds and then claiming a proportional analysis will change the result. I am not the 1st to raise this as a red flag.

Think back to the 2000 primary which had alot of union democrats ordered to the republican primary to vote in the weaker nominee (McCain versus Bush). The aftermath had alot of states rewriting their primary election statutes to allow only party registered persons to vote in their party primaries. That battle still rages on in Washington State.

What is needed is a national campaign for vote reform to shore up safeguards for validating elections. This could include database crosschecks, voter id, voter reregistering and so on.

Hopefully Washington State will lead as a pathfinder to clean up a national systemic problem.


140 posted on 05/02/2005 12:22:51 PM PDT by Hostage
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