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THE REDNECK PROBLEM
nypost.com ^ | May 17, 2005 | WILLIAM RASPBERRY

Posted on 05/17/2005 10:26:50 AM PDT by Destro

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To: Vision
Hey, William, I got your Raspberry right here!

THPPPT!


41 posted on 05/17/2005 10:45:54 AM PDT by Disambiguator (This tagline should only be taken under the advice of your doctor.)
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To: Destro
Just to keep it in context:

When I was just a baby,
My Mama told me, "Son,
Always be a good boy,
Don't ever play with guns,"
But I shot a man in Reno,
Just to watch him die,
When I hear that whistle blowin',
I hang my head and cry.

He's not singing the praises of it - he's saying he screwed up and now is paying the piper.

42 posted on 05/17/2005 10:45:58 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: wideawake

>>What happened was the rise of socialist ideology in the 1960s<<<


i agree.... and even a little before that in the North East.


43 posted on 05/17/2005 10:46:21 AM PDT by sdpatriot (remember waco and ruby ridge)
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To: Hatteras
Ice T has a One-piece-at-a-time Psycho-Billy Cadillac too?!

Well, kinda, but they make it look a lot better now! :-)


44 posted on 05/17/2005 10:46:42 AM PDT by Bluegrass Conservative
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To: Destro
Oh!

I thought it was this kind of redneck problem.

A man owns a Tennessee house and 3.7 acres of land in a hollow with an average slope of 15%. The man has 5 children. Can each of the children place a mobile home on the man's land?

Or maybe this one:

At a reduction in gene pool variability rate of 7.5% per generation, how long will it take a town that has been bypassed by the interstate to breed a country-western singer?

45 posted on 05/17/2005 10:46:49 AM PDT by N. Theknow (What an appropriate name for the times in which we live - RAT-ZINGER!)
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To: Hatteras; Bluegrass Conservative
Ice T has a One-piece-at-a-time Psycho-Billy Cadillac too?!

Is that anything like a hoopty ride?

46 posted on 05/17/2005 10:46:56 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

Read this last week. Good article!


47 posted on 05/17/2005 10:47:19 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: wideawake

True (it is all the Yankees' fault!), but I think the point Thomas Sowell is trying to make is that the gangsta culture and Ebonics are not "black things," and the black community needs to stop acting like they are. However, African society on the continent of Africa was and is quite tribal, territorial, and fully capable of engaging in wars and criminal behavior.

Memo to Thomas Sowell: Black people suffer from the fallen human condition just as much as any other race, sorry to say. We all have the obligation and challenge to rise above our inherent sin nature.


48 posted on 05/17/2005 10:47:29 AM PDT by Cecily
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To: frithguild
So the plight of the modern blacks is a result of thier acting like conservatives?

Not quite, Sowell is using the term "redneck" not as a person with independent conservative beliefs, but as a person who shuns education, shuns work most of the time, and when he talks he argues forcefully with a "preacher like" furvor to hide his basic non-understanding of much of what he is saying. (You know, the cars on blocks in a messy yard kind of redneck.)

In short, this is the culture of the white and black south and unless you leave this culture behind, you will be held back and be poor. (Note that race is not a factor, just the culture, subscribe to the culture, stay poor.)

BTW, Sowell does not say this is the only aspect of the Southern culture, only that this history explains what is happening today better than the white man holding the black man down or past slavery holding the black man down. Sowell is looking for things that are happening in people's lives today to expalin why they are poor today. A good approach in my opinion. And it avoids the hint of racism that creeps in when you try to talk about a group.

49 posted on 05/17/2005 10:47:31 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: Vision

Thomas Sowell is a Black Conservative and this article is a commentary on that book. So try again.


50 posted on 05/17/2005 10:48:01 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorism by visiting johnathangaltfilms.com and jihadwatch.org)
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To: Destro

As an American of Scottish extract, I'm deeply offended at the notion that my peat-bog farming, heavy single malt scotch drinking ancestors are to blame for such a low life culture.


51 posted on 05/17/2005 10:48:09 AM PDT by eagle11 (Never stand in between an armed man and his Freedom.....)
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To: Vision

Yep. If you find yourself in agreement with Bill Raspberry then you better check your information/principles. His error rate is so high that if he wrote that the sky was blue I would have to go outside and check. Sowell is highly reliable so I am going to defer judgement until I read the book. As others here have noted the transition to urban living (from the rural south) is when the problems appeared. I personally look to the welfare state as culprit, not to Scots-Irish values at first glance.


52 posted on 05/17/2005 10:48:29 AM PDT by RKV ( He who has the guns, makes the rules.)
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That seems to be a ridiculous point to make. For one, the North had already experienced the industrial revolution and had little room for Dairy Farms, and was more densely populated that the South. Almost all raw materials (here I would classify a dairy cow as a raw material vis a vis butter and cheese) came from the South. I bet there was more cotton in the South yet more clothing in the North. This doesn't prove much.

I've honestly grown tired of the stereotyping with respect to the Southern culture. Education wise, the reason the South has suffered so much can be traced directly back to reconstruction, as can the economic problems.

As for language, Antebellum Southerners were actually ridiculed because their English was too formal. The Southern dialect was more akin to the "King's English" than that of the North, which was quickly infused with slang and jargon.
53 posted on 05/17/2005 10:48:52 AM PDT by IMissPresidentReagan ("My Friends we did it....we made a difference. ...All in all not bad, not bad at all." Pres. Reagan)
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To: Destro

Yet another book which derives from the mother lode of American cultural history, Albion’s Seed


54 posted on 05/17/2005 10:49:30 AM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Destro
If going into bars and trying to have a cold beer to oneself, in peace, can contribute to comparative culture studies, one would have to say that generally, in The South, so called "Redneck Bars" must for sure be the essence of violence, lack of good will, poor self image and close mindedness.

Of course, unless, one goes into the bar as a local "regular" and has already been accepted.

You are liable to get the 's' kicked out of you for no reason in backwoods, teeth-challened redneck America--the more non-redneck you are the higher the chance.

It isn't just redneck America.

Better watch your back in a Tijuana, or Tegucigalpa or Panamanian/Colombian bar, too.

However, visit most places in California--especially along the coast, or a beer/sausauge bar in Wisconsin, some nice places in the Northeast, etc. a Japanese karaoke bar in NYC or Phoenix, a pub in Singapore or Tokyo, Chinese/Thai bar in San Francisco, etc. (& the "hey, dude? WHATCHEW Loookin' at??!!", itching-for-a-fight-with-the-stranger-ratio is much lower).

I'm not the biggest fan of socially-loser, pissed off at the world and anyone different then them "rednecks" by and large I'll say. Maybe I can be converted.

55 posted on 05/17/2005 10:49:34 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (**AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS NOT SO MUCH "WHO" WE STAND FOR, BUT RATHER "WHAT" WE STAND FOR**)
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To: Destro

But in that J Cash song I believe the charecter recognizes the fact that HE screwed up.......Do many rap songs dealing with a similar theme do the same?


56 posted on 05/17/2005 10:50:36 AM PDT by commonasdirt
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To: Destro

Completely off topic- Ice-T has vending machines in his house because he was sick of people coming over and mooching all his food and pop.


57 posted on 05/17/2005 10:50:36 AM PDT by retrokitten ("I've seen you break up entire bridal and baby showers with one catty remark!"- Peggy Hill)
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To: Destro
there is a difference between "redneck" and "white trash", BTW. they are not interchangeable.
58 posted on 05/17/2005 10:50:47 AM PDT by djmed
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To: N. Theknow

ohhhh, man, those are evil ;)


59 posted on 05/17/2005 10:50:49 AM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: Destro

Murder ballads make up a considerable portion of the "traditional" American music catalog.

Lilly of the West
Willow Garden
Banks of the Ohio
jeez, let me get my bluegrass songbooks out...too numerous to mention

The song you are thinking of, Folsom Prison Blues, while not a traditional, also falls into that category.

drinking, rambling, gambling, whoring, killing....

hard to argue with Ice T on this point.



60 posted on 05/17/2005 10:51:05 AM PDT by dmz
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