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Predators & Pornography. A disturbing link.
NRO ^ | May 19, 2005, 8:15 a.m. | By Penny Nance

Posted on 05/19/2005 11:05:47 AM PDT by .cnI redruM

On February 2, 2003, when seven-year-old Danielle van Dam disappeared from her family home in the middle of the night, every mother’s nightmare was played out on national television for almost a month while authorities searched for the girl. When Danielle’s body was found at the end of that month, the police and prosecutors discovered a frightening story about a neighbor of Danielle’s who had computer files filled with child pornography and even a sickening cartoon video of the rape of a young girl.

According to a report by Robert Peters, president of Morality in Media, on the link between pornography and violent sex crimes, the prosecutor in the Danielle van Dam case said “The video represented [the defendant’s] sexual fantasies and inspired the abduction, rape, and murder of Danielle.” According to Raymond Pierce, a retired NYPD detective who worked on the sex-crimes squad for many years and is now a criminal-profiling consultant, about 80 percent of rapists and serial killers are heavy pornography users. I was a victim of an attempted rape by a disturbed man who turned out to be involved in pornography.

May is Victims of Pornography Month. Today Senator Sam Brownback (R., Kan.), Rep. Katherine Harris (R., Fla.), Rep. Joe Pitts (R., Pa.), and leaders from the values community will participate in a summit to explore the troubling connection between pornography and violence against women and children.

Florida attorney general Charlie Crist advises parents that “we must never lose sight of the fact that sexual predators make the online world a dangerous place for innocent children. Parents must be ever-vigilant to make sure their children are not exposed to images and messages that would have been unthinkable just a generation ago.” Crist warns that we cannot allow the Internet to be a “pipeline for pornography aimed at children.” But while parents can use available means to protect their children when they are in their own homes, there is a cultural climate surrounding our children that threatens them the way Danielle van Dam was threatened. Because of the availability of pornography online, there is no way of knowing what lurks in the hearts of our neighborhoods.

More needs to be done to evaluate the connection between violent predatory behavior and pornography, and to crack down on these violent predators. Police and law-enforcement officers across the country report brutal instances in which those addicted to pornography utilized its sadistic images on their female and child victims.

Just this past February, the New York Times reported a story about a teenage babysitter who had raped three young children he was watching in their homes. According to the Times, his pattern was to watch pornographic videos with the oldest of the children, a 12-year-old boy, and intimidate them all by torturing them with a knife and threats to their family members. Perhaps one of the most notorious serial killers, Ted Bundy, participated in an interview with Dr. James Dobson shortly before he was executed. In the interview, Bundy explained, “I’ve lived in prison for a long time now. And I’ve met a lot of men who were motivated to commit violence like me. And without exception, every one of them was deeply involved in pornography — without exception, without exception — deeply influenced and consumed by an addiction to pornography.”

Since 1956, the Supreme Court has made clear that the First Amendment does not protect obscene materials. If we know from the perpetrators themselves how obscenity contributes to violence against women and children, what can we do?

We need to fund more studies of the addiction to pornography and its effects on violent behavior. Parents can install filters on any computer used by children and keep the family computer in a central location, not in a child's bedroom or someplace where parents might not regularly see it. We need to demand tougher law enforcement on the state and federal level. The Bush administration is stepping up federal enforcement of obscenity laws. This is a good first step. Contact the U.S. attorney for your district and ask what they are doing to enforce the laws. We need tougher state penalties against both possession and distribution of child porn and passing any kind of pornographic material to kids. Experts indicate that pornography is often used by pedophiles to break down the resistance of child victims. Parents should check out their state’s penalties for child rape and make sure offenders are going to jail and staying there for these offenses. Florida, for example, just passed a tough new law after the tragedy involving Jessica Lunsford, whose killer was a recently released violent offender. We should pass legislation to address the threat to children on the Internet. This includes chat sites, websites, spam, and peer-to-peer networks. Peer-to-Peer networks are of particular concern because they are widely visited by kids and offer porn for free without any age verification.

As Rep. Katherine Harris has pointed out, "Pornography displays human beings as objects, obliterating the wall between an individual's sick fantasies and the compulsion to act upon them. Often, the monsters who hurt women and children start with this malignant desensitizer." We need to all work together to find better ways to protect women and children against this violence.


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To: Melas

Well I have to be honest but if porn was made illegal, I would be thrilled. Realistically, porn will never be made illegal though so porn lovers on FR rejoice. Humans have been wallowing in moral decay for a long time. No reason they'll stop now. I'm glad I don't have children and don't intend on having any in this post-modern moral soup.


401 posted on 05/19/2005 3:35:56 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: ctlpdad
There are quite a few like minded people who wanted to ban the internet because it was and still is primarily used for porn.

It is also one of, if not THE primary engine driving advances in the internet.

402 posted on 05/19/2005 3:37:48 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: XR7
Are you are using a straw-man argument because you don't want to face the demon inside?

Not a strawman, just a logical extension of your reasoning.

Guy can only get it up to porn=homosexual.

Therefore, a guy who can get it up for a real woman but also enjoys porn= bisexual.

Therefore, 14 year-old boy who masturbates to porn= bisexual pedophile.

403 posted on 05/19/2005 3:38:27 PM PDT by Modernman ("Work is the curse of the drinking classes." -Oscar Wilde)
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To: Jorge

Is that true or is that a massive urban myth?


404 posted on 05/19/2005 3:39:10 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: Aliska

Hey, you jsut made me think about something. My porn spammer must have gotten shut down becasue I jsut thought about it and I have not been getting any spam e-mails lately offering to enlarge my penis. For years I was on the "make your penis bigger" spam list and jsut now I realized I haven't been geeting them lately. Thanks for your post. That is some good news for me!


405 posted on 05/19/2005 3:39:23 PM PDT by ExPatInFrance (Terri's Starfish- 1 Mrs. Ora Mae Magouirk, 2 Clara Martinez)
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To: XR7

What is a Straw Man? I see that all the time on FR and I ahve no idea what it means?


406 posted on 05/19/2005 3:41:45 PM PDT by ExPatInFrance (Terri's Starfish- 1 Mrs. Ora Mae Magouirk, 2 Clara Martinez)
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To: ExPatInFrance
Because it makes logical sense to me, that is why I think Bundy was telling the truth, that "pornograohy" was a big negative influence on his life. It does ring true. I will bet there are studies done on Pornography and sexual crimes. My gut tells me that there is a connection.

Well, in fairness, I already knew that was the answer, I just wanted you to admit. You chose your words differently, but you essentially said in the above that you believe Bundy because what he said affirms your preconcieved notions. Exactly as Dobson did. As I said, Dobson believed Bundy because Bundy told Dobson everything he wanted to hear.

I would not at all mind banning porn, simply becasue I don't consume it.

The difference here is that you recognize the liberalism of the above and correct it yourself when you say:

However I think I have to go along with the argument that probably millions of people utilize/consume pronography and they don't commit crimes becasue of it, so we should not deny people the freedom to use it if they want.

Unfortunately, not everyone in this thread has been able to think their way past the initial, "It doesn't effect me" so let's ban it mentality, as you have.

407 posted on 05/19/2005 3:43:49 PM PDT by Melas
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To: ExPatInFrance
What is a Straw Man? I see that all the time on FR and I ahve no idea what it means?

It is a logical fallacy: Strawman

408 posted on 05/19/2005 3:44:33 PM PDT by Modernman ("Work is the curse of the drinking classes." -Oscar Wilde)
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To: cyborg
Well I have to be honest but if porn was made illegal

Well what porn? What do you want to ban?

Huslter?

Playboy?

Victorias Secret catalogues?

Nabakov?

D.H. Lawrence?

Where do you want to draw the line?

409 posted on 05/19/2005 3:45:49 PM PDT by Melas
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To: ExPatInFrance
don't you think the world would be a better place without pornography?

Rather, the world would be a better place if people evolved beyond pornography. That will not be accompolished by merely banning pornography.

This is quite a fascinating thread, with interesting comments. If you see human civilization as an evolving process, we have been moving away from our natural inclinations. It's no longer acceptable to take multiple preteen wives. It's no longer acceptable for armies to rape women. It's no longer acceptable to bathe with younger naked boys. Etc.

Yes, our laws were more strict in the past, but laws do not reflect a culture's mindset (just look to Islam as an example). 30 years ago, it was acceptable for male employers to sneak a grope here and there... it is not now. That is a fact.

However, in the recent times, there seems to be a trend to celebrate savageness... to turn the clock back on progress and civilization, to go back to the way things are because it's "natural".

The last 2.5 years of a 3-year relationship with a man who would be called quite handsome by any standard, I did not have any desire for him at all. I had almost no respect for him and never saw him as an equal; on a subconcious level, this prevented me from being truly attracted to him. It took the test case of a man with an amazing mind to get me to realize that my sexuality never went away; it was inseparably linked to the other person's intelligence and personality.

The point being, I would like to see people to move away from savageness, but this isn't going to happen any time soon; banning pornography would have the same effect as cornering a wounded animal.
410 posted on 05/19/2005 3:47:47 PM PDT by Nataku X (Last month's summary: GOP ^= Dem ^= GOP ^= Dem)
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To: TheGunny
I didnt make that argument (you might want to go back and look again). Relations between husband and wife are private because of modesty, not because they are dirty or immoral.

I'm sorry but you did:

To: Dead Corpse
That kind of response just proves that you are loosing the argument. Pornography is dark and is consumed in secret dark places. It is shameful and if it werent, it would be done in the light of day in plain sight.
178 posted on 05/19/2005 3:41:40 PM EDT by TheGunny
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Clearly, relations with your spouse are shameful or you would do it in plain sight. You said it.
411 posted on 05/19/2005 3:48:22 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth...)
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To: Melas

I never said I wanted to ban porn myself. I did say I wouldn't be upset if it was.


412 posted on 05/19/2005 3:48:40 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: All

Is it edifying? Does it make us better? Does it help us accomplish anything? Is it good for us? I would think that we could all agree that the answer to all of these is no. From the opposite side- Does it influence people to commit crimes? in some cases. Does it break up marriages? it has. Why keep it around?


413 posted on 05/19/2005 3:48:47 PM PDT by Asphalt (Join the NFL ping list ... All thing football ... FReepmail Asphalt to get on or off)
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To: Asphalt

good questions


414 posted on 05/19/2005 3:50:25 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: cyborg
Is that true or is that a massive urban myth?

The evidence seems to suggest it's true, that the massive demand for porno on the internet has driven most of the advances in internet technology.

Internet Pornography Statistics (2004 TopTenREVIEWS, Inc.)

Pornographic websites 4.2 million (12% of total websites)

Daily pornographic search engine requests 68 million (25% of total search engine requests)

Monthly Pornographic downloads (Peer-to-peer) 1.5 billion (35% of all downloads)

Worldwide visitors to pornographic web sites 72 million annually

415 posted on 05/19/2005 3:51:03 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Melas

If my husband starts consuming porn then I must not be holding up my end of the marriage. 30 years porn free, i wish it for everybody. Porn is just not good for you, not sure how I can say that being as I don't have any experience with it, but my compass knows that it is not a good direction to take. It is jsut not healthy. MUCH better to be creative with your lover and experiment around that way than to watch it on celluloid or in print. I do beleive that if people threw out all their porn they would have a better life.


416 posted on 05/19/2005 3:51:09 PM PDT by ExPatInFrance (Terri's Starfish- 1 Mrs. Ora Mae Magouirk, 2 Clara Martinez)
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To: XR7
Are you are using a straw-man argument because you don't want to face the demon inside?

No such luck on your part. I'm a happily married man who while he has nothing against porn, just isn't intrigued. Call it my lack of voyeuristic tendencies. Probably the same reason I don't like to watch sporting events either. I'm just not a watcher.

When a grown man's wife is longing for intimacy but he can't get it up for anyone but his five-fingered-mary, he's a perv - admit it. And that's where addiction to porn takes you, ultimately.

That would be a problem, granted, but from what I gather, the conserve is more typically the American problem.

417 posted on 05/19/2005 3:51:25 PM PDT by Melas
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To: Asphalt
Is it edifying? Does it make us better? Does it help us accomplish anything? Is it good for us? I would think that we could all agree that the answer to all of these is no. From the opposite side- Does it influence people to commit crimes? in some cases. Does it break up marriages? it has. Why keep it around?

You can apply this argument to alcohol, tobacco, gambling, fatty foods and pretty much any other human vice.

418 posted on 05/19/2005 3:51:42 PM PDT by Modernman ("Work is the curse of the drinking classes." -Oscar Wilde)
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To: Dead Corpse
"not that it is any of your buisness"

Then why did you mention it?

419 posted on 05/19/2005 3:52:05 PM PDT by Asphalt (Join the NFL ping list ... All thing football ... FReepmail Asphalt to get on or off)
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To: Jorge
Fact is we don't take away everybody's freedoms because there are sickos in the world.

Well then you had better do something about making heroin and LSD legal.

420 posted on 05/19/2005 3:52:58 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan
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To: Asphalt
One word: Freedom.

Freedom isn't about doing what's best for the collective. That's communism. If liberty isn't the lynchpin that the American experiment was built on, I don't know what is.

421 posted on 05/19/2005 3:54:02 PM PDT by Melas
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To: ExPatInFrance
I haven't gotten any of those for a loooooooong time. I used to chuckle over those while I deleted them.

Hasn't some porn spam been made illegal? I thought that was why I've not been getting so much of it.

422 posted on 05/19/2005 3:55:57 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: ExPatInFrance

Notice you mentioned lovers etc. My meager experiences with pornography really are limited to times when I was an extremely hormonal, extremely young man, with no such outlet. I don't think that's changed much. I have a hunch that the vast majority of porn purchases are to men college age and younger.


423 posted on 05/19/2005 3:56:34 PM PDT by Melas
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To: .cnI redruM

KFI had a report that of those arrested for child pornography or pedophilia that had a computer...
95% also had lots of Star Trek pictures and things to.

Treky / pedophilia connection!


424 posted on 05/19/2005 3:59:43 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Aquinasfan
"victemless crim"

I guess ruining marriages doesn't have any victems. and we've said in some cases it leads to crime. obviously not victemless

425 posted on 05/19/2005 3:59:51 PM PDT by Asphalt (Join the NFL ping list ... All thing football ... FReepmail Asphalt to get on or off)
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To: All; Melas

Throw this out jsut for fun.
What about homemade movies wink-wink
Is that porn? Acceptable for one spouce to re-watch alone for gratification?


426 posted on 05/19/2005 4:00:05 PM PDT by ExPatInFrance (Terri's Starfish- 1 Mrs. Ora Mae Magouirk, 2 Clara Martinez)
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To: Aliska

I read in the news oh a couple months ago that some big spammers got busted buy the states or maybe it was the Federal Government. Anyway I do think that they got my "enlarge your penis" spammer becasue now that I think about it becasue of your post, I realized I am not getting those e-mails any more. I really do think they got busted. I mean I was getting those e-mails for years. I was so embarresed about it, then at work it got brought up and I realized that everybody was getting them, it wasn't jsut me. I wasn't on some Porn list somewhere.


427 posted on 05/19/2005 4:03:36 PM PDT by ExPatInFrance (Terri's Starfish- 1 Mrs. Ora Mae Magouirk, 2 Clara Martinez)
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To: .cnI redruM

I don't doubt there is a link.


428 posted on 05/19/2005 4:07:35 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: ExPatInFrance

Good question, I have no clue. I am however certain that I might give up sex entirely if I had to see my own naked ass on the screen.


429 posted on 05/19/2005 4:10:04 PM PDT by Melas
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To: Melas

Out of curiousity, are you for legalized drugs? Marijuana, cocaine, etc.


430 posted on 05/19/2005 4:10:07 PM PDT by Asphalt (Join the NFL ping list ... All thing football ... FReepmail Asphalt to get on or off)
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To: Modernman

A small amount of alcohol has been said to be healthy. Your body needs some fat, gambling is stupid but it merely makes you lose money, tobacco is a seperate argument along with crack and all that.


431 posted on 05/19/2005 4:12:14 PM PDT by Asphalt (Join the NFL ping list ... All thing football ... FReepmail Asphalt to get on or off)
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To: Asphalt
I'm for a case by case review of most illegal substances. I'm sure that some would remain illegal, and some would be legalized in such an event.

However, that's really an apples to oranges comparison. What concerns me most about the decency issue is the total assault on expression. The slippery slope does indeed concern me. IMHO, if porn, the visual kind were banned, it wouldn't be more than a couple of years until merely writing about sex was also banned, and genuinely concerns me.

432 posted on 05/19/2005 4:13:02 PM PDT by Melas
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To: CobaltBlue

I think a sick mind could easily take the next step. They don't lust after the women they see per se. They hate them and want to control them in sadistic ways.

The typical guy that buys Playboy doesn't usually have this mind set. He's just turned on by the pictures.


433 posted on 05/19/2005 4:16:17 PM PDT by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Jorge

Wow. I'm not surprised.


434 posted on 05/19/2005 4:20:58 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: ExPatInFrance

If men wanted to see women's cellulite, then porn actresses wouldn't look so done up. MTV has a plastic surgery reality show and this girl wanted to look like Pam Anderson to get into Playboy. Guess what? She got in too.


435 posted on 05/19/2005 4:23:45 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: cyborg

Which leads me to my next question. Are Dolly Barton's boobs fake, like Pamela Anderson's? As far as I can tell men don't seem to mind if women have breast implants they seem to like them if you ask me.


436 posted on 05/19/2005 4:28:12 PM PDT by ExPatInFrance (Terri's Starfish- 1 Mrs. Ora Mae Magouirk, 2 Clara Martinez)
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To: ExPatInFrance

I mean Dolly Parton, not Barton. I have a hand injury and a couple fingers on my right hand don't work that is why you see so many typos. But the Barton vs. parton can't be blamed on my fingers :O


437 posted on 05/19/2005 4:29:34 PM PDT by ExPatInFrance (Terri's Starfish- 1 Mrs. Ora Mae Magouirk, 2 Clara Martinez)
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To: ExPatInFrance

Well, fake ones are always perky, whereas real ones tend to well...sag.


438 posted on 05/19/2005 4:29:54 PM PDT by Melas
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To: ExPatInFrance

Dolly's breasts are real. Pam Anderson had hers deflated after giving birth I do believe. Most men don't seem to care either, something that mystifies me to this day *LOL* (as long as they get to look!)


439 posted on 05/19/2005 4:31:39 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: .cnI redruM

I'n reluctant to give psychochiatrist any more power than they already have.
By accepting this premise, you open up thought control / patrol, and I'm not going there.
People who indulge know very well what it does to them physically and emotionally, and they make the choice to continue with it or not at their own peril.


440 posted on 05/19/2005 4:35:44 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: frogjerk

Actually, that is no longer true.
Porn stars are now on the NYT bestseller list.
They have their own entertainment businesses.
If it were socially unacceptable, they wouldn't dare use their real names.
Hell, one even ran for Governor of California.


441 posted on 05/19/2005 4:39:56 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: XR7
Yawn. You need to change your online name from stuck_in_new_orleans to head_stuck_in_the_sand.

yawn. You need a better comeback

442 posted on 05/19/2005 4:41:39 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: cyborg

I am also mystified by why men don't seem to mind at ALL that the breast they are oogling are "fake." Even my French husband says, "zat look good to me" when seeing like Pam Anderson on TV or something. I swear I have never met a man who is repulsed by this, and I agree with you, I don't get it, they are fake!!!! LOL


443 posted on 05/19/2005 4:47:05 PM PDT by ExPatInFrance (Terri's Starfish- 1 Mrs. Ora Mae Magouirk, 2 Clara Martinez)
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To: ExPatInFrance

Another thing that bothers me with this porn thing is that it's all fake and a fantasy. Women's breasts will never look like that in real life. What about after a few babies? What then? I don't wanna know what mine will look like in a few years *LOL*


444 posted on 05/19/2005 4:49:25 PM PDT by cyborg (Serving fresh, hot Anti-opus since 18 April 2005)
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To: Melas

Again, Alcohol is not immoral by it nature, pornography is. Alcohol can be drunk in moderation, can the same be said of pornography?


445 posted on 05/19/2005 4:49:54 PM PDT by frogjerk
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To: Melas
Whaaaat ever *LOL*
Could be that you are just looking at the young ones and when you get older the fake boobs and the real boobs all droop a bit. Which is exactly the moment the supporting lingerie can spice things back ^
446 posted on 05/19/2005 4:51:29 PM PDT by ExPatInFrance (Terri's Starfish- 1 Mrs. Ora Mae Magouirk, 2 Clara Martinez)
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To: cyborg

Actually having babies makes them BIGGER, which the guys like. Don't worry about it. In a good loving relationship if you both can stay on < side of obease, when you are older it won't matter that you don't look the same as you did 30 years ago. Just remember HE doesn't look the same either. Just get him a viagra now and then for the hell of it, just to spice it up once in a while, and beleive me you are going to look like a sex kitten to him, Major *LOL*


447 posted on 05/19/2005 4:58:08 PM PDT by ExPatInFrance (Terri's Starfish- 1 Mrs. Ora Mae Magouirk, 2 Clara Martinez)
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To: Dead Corpse
I like porn.

Gee, there's a surprise.

If you'd like to educate yourself instead of embarrass yourself you might peruse the Meese report on this subject. It's only been out there for about 20 years.

448 posted on 05/19/2005 4:58:25 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: frogjerk

Absolutely. I've looked at pornography with any interest less than a dozen times in the last 15 years. How much more moderation can there be than that?


449 posted on 05/19/2005 4:59:35 PM PDT by Melas
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To: frogjerk

You wrote: Again, Alcohol is not immoral by it nature, pornography is. Alcohol can be drunk in moderation, can the same be said of pornography?

My Reply: Porn in moderation? Hmmmmm well waht about reading a Penthouse or a Playboy, kind of soft porn, wouldn't that be porn in moderation?


450 posted on 05/19/2005 4:59:50 PM PDT by ExPatInFrance (Terri's Starfish- 1 Mrs. Ora Mae Magouirk, 2 Clara Martinez)
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