Filibuster deal: Freepers, please "hold your powder"

n/a | 05/24/05 | jdsteel

[jdsteel]

Before we explode in disgust about the RINO defectors, please consider this: IF the nominated judges get an up or down vote, we win. If a nominated judge gets blocked by filibuster again, we can still "pull the trigger" on the constitutional option...this time with "betrayed and outraged moderates" leading the way. As much as I want to just respond to this emotionally, I am trying to show patience to see how this pans out over the next month. I also am looking forward to seeing how the DUmmies seeth as judges are nominated. So, please, "hold your powder" but keep your eye on the target.

[gridlock]

Why is that?

Why is impossible for the President to put up anybody other than a squishy moderate?

Say the President puts up a principled conservative. A clone of Robert Bork, (or maybe Bork himself!). The Democrats and these "moderate" Republicans will no doubt consider this an "Extreme Circumstance" and will we are back to square zero. But this time, the coalition to preserve the unprecedented filibuster has already been forged. There is no way these "moderates" will vote for cloture or to change the rule. Not with the Supreme Court on the line.

In order to be approved, a Supreme Court nominee will have to be acceptable to the Republican Majority and five Democrats. This eliminates anybody who supports limits on abortion, support for the 2nd Amendment, or a reasonable reading of the Commerce Clause, just to name a few issues.

[Cboldt]

I intend to remind everyone over and over again as the next general election comes up exactly how useless they are when it comes to actually standing up for a constitutional issue.

The DEMs and the 7 RINOs, and no doubt more, are not respecting the nominations power granted to the President, but ONLY IF they don't vote on the nominee.

Right now, Frist is saying he will continue to stand up for, and demand a vote on all nominations. The debate and vote has not been conceded.

[stevio]

And suppose the Rhino defectors vote with the Dems and defeat whatever nominees are permitted to squeek through?

Tar's relatively cheap, I don't know about feathers though.

[BJungNan]

And they never will be. The "real" filibuster no longer exists, and hasn't existed for years.

It exists. It just that lazy Republican Senators did not want to bring their sleeping bags to work, did not have enough stregth of their convictions to inconvenience themselves.

[katieanna]

I believe Meyers and Saad will receive up and down votes.

I heard Susan Collins say that the use of the filabuster was unacceptable and overused. She said she was highly upset over the treatment Miguel Estrada got.

[ShowMeMom]

The only rational, unemotional, and workable solution is get out there and work hard to increase the number of reliable conservative votes in the Senate in 2006 and 2008.

AMEN!!

[MEGoody]

Walking, calm down. I doubt they talk about little old JDSteel at their parties. They probably don't even talk about you.

[johnny7]

Yup. The photo of the helicopter on the Saigon Embassy roof also comes to mind. I do get a laugh out of the limp-di_ked bastid's here that say “It ain't so bad!”

That salve they use must be pretty good.

[Dave S]

You need to spend more time reading a dictionary. Start with entries on "denial" and "naive". Wake up. The Marxists control the Senate. STOP looking at the "letter R" and start looking at actions. Realize that the Republican'ts are RAT-like. They are in bed with the RATs, the act like RATs, they vote like RATs and they are RATs in disguise as Republican'ts.

You might try looking up "paranoia" and "stupidity".

BTW, John Warner last night said he wasnt goign to vote for the Constitutional option. That meant Frist never had the 50 votes he needed. The Dems lost.

[Cboldt]

Myers is already out of Committee and on the Senate's Executive Calendar.

[Big Horn]

This could play out in our favor. We must wait and see. It makes no sense to say the game is over when the other team scores first. The bad thing is I don't trust any of the deal-making senators.

[ZULU]

"Now if the three conservative judges are not fillibusterable, someone really has to have some flaw other than ideology to be be considered an extreme case."

I guess that is a logical way to view it.

On the other hand, Dems are never logical - or fair.

I guess time will tell if this was a very clever manouever by the Repubs and I will have to eat my words - which I would do gladly - EAGERLY, or just another case of McCain et al pandering to the libs and media.

[JCEccles]

So are we getting Saad and Myers?!?

Are we not getting them?

If Frist throws them under the bus I'll join you in demanding his resignation from the Senate leadership.

[ChronicMA]

I just watched again the press conference of the 14 compromisers, and one thing stood out from their comments:

Two senators (Mike DeWine and Lindsay Graham) clearly stated that they were ready to vote for the constitutional option, and would still vote that way if the "extraordinary circumstances" clause was abused, and any new nominee (including SCOTUS nominees) were being filibustered improperly.

Bottom line is that all judges from now on should be getting an up or down vote, or the deal falls apart to our benefit.

The Democrats get to kill the nominations of Saad and Meyers and the concept of the preservation of the filibuster. We get all other nominations to an up or down vote (where almost all we be confirmed).

This seems to be a face saving deal for the Dems, and I can live with it. Getting the judges on the courts is ultimately the important goal.

[JRochelle]

Dewine and Grahman were going to vote for the constitional option too.
I say the Dems caved to save face.

[TomasUSMC]

This reminds me of the Gingrich-Clinton backdown.

We have been holding our powder long enough. We have given the GOP, the senate, the house, the Presidency. We have 55 senators. It is not about holding powder, its about taking defeat out of the mouth of Victory. It is about allowing the enemy to escape to fight another day. And...

It is about the President not being in the front lines on this issue. He goes to Calvin College and talks about service, which is all nice and pretty but he needs to help Frist out.

[RonDog]

From:

Today's Toons 5/24/05
various | 5/24/05 | various
Posted on 05/24/2005 2:36:42 AM PDT by pookie18

[Dave S]

There is no way these "moderates" will vote for cloture or to change the rule. Not with the Supreme Court on the line.

Then there was no way they would have voted for cloture without the agreement. Nothing has changed except Dems get a little cover to allow Senate to get its work done.

[NonValueAdded]

I suggest you read the deal again. The seven RINOs have unconditionally taken the Constitutional option off the table until after the 2006 mid-term election. Unconditionally. All the RATs have to do is play the "extreme" card on ANY judge they want and the RINOs CANNOT cry foul because they agreed that the RATs have the right to vote their "feelings." If one of the seven suddenly develops a spine and cries foul, the RATs will pounce on that person and give them the same treatment Carville gave GHWB when he compromised on his "read my lips" pledge. As you can plainly see by all the commentary on FR, the base is not going to support these 7 RINOs. The RATs are salivating at the thought of 7 bare-knuckle primary fights that will clear the way for them to take the seat and control of the Senate.

[Dont_Tread_On_Me_888]

BTW, John Warner last night said he wasnt goign to vote for the Constitutional option. That meant Frist never had the 50 votes he needed. The Dems lost.

I am sure most members here want to know how "The Dems lost" while you say Frist never had 50 votes.

You are in a state of denial. The Republican'ts are as RAT-like as the RATs. Go ahead. Deny it again. I might as well laugh--it may take an edge off my disgust and anger with the traitors that have infected the Republican ranks.