Posted on 05/25/2005 3:41:22 AM PDT by billorites
So there's no evidence against what you believe. Has never been and will never be ...
[R]evisionist history and science are the creation of Satan and those who refuse the witness of God and science and history. These fools are also the same one's who believe in global warming and evolution and other myths created by babbling crybaby's.
... except for people who accept the last 200 years worth of data from geology, paleontology, and biology. To believe one's lying eyes is to be a tool of Satan.
I can't accept that. If using your brain and believing your eyes gets you to Hell, then Hell it is.
It's called chemistry. RWP can tell you all about it.
You are so wrong and the facts you state are foolish.
Precisely. Thank you for the picture of my uncle.
See my 816 and 1024.
PactrickHenry thinks Darwin Central can escape paying the rent. And jwalsh07 is confused about proper Vulcan behavior.
Off to work for the day.
The Gospel of John begins with a restatement of Genesis 1:1a and goes on to assert an organizing principle solely responsible for the creation and sustenance of all things. It then details how this organizing principle took up human flesh for the purpose of fixing every malady associated with our first parents' choice to die.
No, the convergence properties are different. Analogously, consider tossing a coin and see if it cranks out the digits of 1/2.
Note that the coin or needle doesn't crank out anything; they're inanimate generally. Averaging over outcomes yields the aforesaid results.
Just for fun: pi/4 = 1 - 1/3 + 1/5 - 1/9 ....
Evidence of the application of manual implements. We already covered that.
Yes they are. If you want to teach a course in what scientists don't think, then by all means avail yourself of an opposing view, however, if you want to teach a course in what scientists do think, that is what you will have to teach in that course.
You would, by force of law, prevent free inquiry among the body politic, and to that extent you are just like the Pope in Galileo's day.
Yes, well, and to the extent that I'm not threatening you with painful death for expressing your opinions in public, I am not just like the Pope in Galileo's day.
You have all the freedom you can handle almost anywhere you like, but not in the science classroom where you are, quite rightly, restricted to teaching children what scientists think.
Somehow the conspiracy of the early church was SO good it kept a cacophony of almost-Mark, Luke, Matthew, and John gospels from surviving for posterity in spite of a smorgasbord of religious practices and beliefs in the region. There are small variations of wording in gospels and disputes over placement and presence passages, but they don't show the weird kind of thinking that appeared in the post-year-100 pseudo gospels that have psychedelic things like crosses floating out of tombs. The four recognized gospels and known variants are very focused on Jesus and very realistic in tone.
Just as you have the freedom to say ridiculous things, other people have the freedom to ridicule you for it.
You mean like this?
If these really were "What Scientists Think" classes, that would be fine. Trouble is, they are more like "Here Is The Truth" classes. There is an awkward gap between what is now called "philosophy" and what is now called "science" and woe betide the poor fool who tries to keep a foot in both.
To be sure. And I am not alone in that freedom.
Umm.. Did the possibility occur to you that the Synoptic Gospels resemble one another because they mostly copied one another (which the Church acknowledges) and that the reason they were made canonical is because they resembled one another?
oinkest thou?
Thee: Not French, it was a home-boy (Muslim) fanatic around 1380.
I've also seen it blamed on the Turks. Maybe they all had a whack at it.
Trouble is, where are the drafts of this wild stuff that got "tamed" into the current gospels? We can't blame library burners. The early church may have been well disciplined, but during the years its apostles penned what is in the Bible now, it did not practice raids upon rival factions. Instead it preached at its own people, urging them to keep themselves pure in the faith. It was not until the third century that the church got mixed up in Big Gummint, and by that time the bible manuscripts had already been around a long long time.
Hmm.. I shouldn't have said the Church acknowledges the shared text; I'm uncertain whether that's true (and almost certainly not for all denominations). I should've said New Testament scholars acknowledge it.
BTW, in case you haven't noticed, there is at present a cacophony of texts and a smorgasbord of practices and beliefs within Christianity. The reason they don't strike you that way is probably merely because you're accustomed to them.
Take virtually ANY variation found between manuscripts in the gospel texts we know of today, and you will still come up with a story that (1) reads as very realistic, not fantasmagorical (2) not difficult to reconcile within itself even if the exact manner is unclear and (3) focuses on Jesus. It is sometimes a bit bemusing to listen to a rabid King-Jameser whale on a convinced eclectic-texter, as the difference in what the resulting bible teaches, at the end of the day, is not enough to fill a thimble.
All elementary classes are "here is the truth" classes. Philosophical inquiry is for mature minds.
There is an awkward gap between what is now called "philosophy" and what is now called "science"
It's not "awkward" at all. It's purposeful. Science can't get it's business done if it has to untangle Hume-ian doubts every time we want to do an experiment.
and woe betide the poor fool who tries to keep a foot in both.
Indeed. Woe bedtide those who, with an obvious agenda, would would try to convince children that scientists think something other than what they do think, under the guise of reverence for abstract philosophy.
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