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1 posted on 05/30/2005 10:00:16 AM PDT by Asphalt
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To: Asphalt

Go to any barber shop and you will see the same amount charged for a kid with a full head of hair as the old guy that's balding. Big deal...


2 posted on 05/30/2005 10:01:54 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Get all the incumbents out of politics!)
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To: Asphalt

If I'm treated unfairly over a hair cut, I just don't go back.If they had a problem with the price that should have been settled beforehand.


4 posted on 05/30/2005 10:06:01 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rearview mirror.)
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To: Asphalt

So, the result of the lawsuit will be that Dillards will raise the price of services for non-"Black Hair", so everything's equalized. Problem solved.


7 posted on 05/30/2005 10:07:03 AM PDT by savedbygrace ("No Monday morning quarterback has ever led a team to victory" GW Bush)
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To: Asphalt

"Officials in Arizona, California, Florida, Maryland and Massachusetts have already addressed race- and sex-based pricing differences at hair salons."

How?

Why is this even news that different racial types require different practices?


9 posted on 05/30/2005 10:08:38 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: Asphalt

Hmmm O.K. It's not a big deal. My wife (who is black) has been told by numerous hairdressers that they can't do her hair not because she's black but because they do not have enough experience to do it correctly.

At first we got all our hackles raised but one hairdresser calmly expalained that we'd be alot more angry if he screwed up her hair than if he just refused and refered us to someone who could do a better job.

So I can see why someone would charge more, nothing to do with racism at all.

Nothing to see here.


19 posted on 05/30/2005 10:18:03 AM PDT by dominic7
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To: Asphalt

Good choice in who she's deciding to sue. Dillard's has VERY deep pockets, and owns a HUGE chunk of the up-scale retail in this country. (They'll probably just settle to shut her up.)

If you look at this link, you'll see that Dillard's has either had a long string of plain old Bad Luck, or they really are a shoddily run organization:

Discrimination: In May 2001, Dillard's was ordered by a jury to pay $800,000 in a wrongful death trial in a Houston state court. The case involves the death of a man who Dillard's alleges was psychotic. Police officers were called in to the store to handle the man who had become belligerent. An employee claims she saw officers beating the handcuffed man, who died two days later after being on life support. Source: The Houston Chronicle, April 12, 2001

Health and Safety: Dillard's has a policy of hiring armed, off-duty police officers to provide security. Since 1994, at least six people have died after confrontations with Dillard's security officers. In all cases but one, the victims were minorities. None of the victims had weapons. Source: New Pittsburgh Courier, 1-1-03/Houston Press, 1-04

Discrimination: Dillard's pulled advertising from some CBS affiliates after the network's "60 Minutes" featured a story about Dillard's alleged discrimination against minorities. The show described a lawsuit against Dillard's and some security guards who allegedly harassed and beat black customers, leaving one person dead. The company did not pull ads from ABC or NBC affiliates. Source: The Associated Press, April 11, 2001

Ethics: In January 2003, a Texas district judge ordered Dillard's not to destroy security personnel notebooks and logs that plaintiffs in lawsuits against the retailer claim may show systematic targeting of minority and low-income shoppers for surveillance and intimidation. According to documents given to an attorney for a plaintiff in a discrimination suit against the store, a Dillards official in May 2000 ordered that all security officer notebooks, logs and other documents be sent to corporate headquarters and that no copies be retained by local stores. An internal e-mail dated July 2001 stated that "All unauthorized forms or notebooks containing narrative information of non-arrest activity must be destroyed." Source: New Pittsburgh Courier, January 1, 2003

Health and Safety: In 2005, Dillard's paid $15 million to settle a lawsuit brought on behalf of a 5 year old girl whose fingers were amputated in a defective escalator at the company's St. Petersburg, Florida store. At the time another lawsuit against Dillard's was under consideration in Iowa. In that case another child also lost fingers. Source: Tampa Tribune, Feb. 13, 2005

http://www.responsibleshopper.org/basic.cfm?cusip=254067

I report. You decide.


22 posted on 05/30/2005 10:21:42 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Asphalt

Fifteen more dollars to do black hair? It's not THAT bad. Sheesh. Good for her. Sue them.


26 posted on 05/30/2005 10:29:15 AM PDT by cyborg (I am ageless through the power of the Lord God.)
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To: Asphalt

This is bull... my wife had to pay more to have her hair permed because it was so very long/thick when we first married (3 kids later, the hair has gotten shorter). Not all hair is equal, get over it... some requires more time, others not.. I get paid by the hour, hairdresses should charge by the hour too.


29 posted on 05/30/2005 10:31:36 AM PDT by LowOiL ("I am neither . I am a Christocrat" -Benjamin Rush)
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To: Asphalt

Now I swear, I had a black woman tell me her hair was stronger, fuller, and less oily than a white woman's hair.

She even called over one of her friends to prove it by asking her the same questions, and her black friend confirmed that a Black woman's hair is different than a white woman's hair.

The main difference is the oils in the hair. Black women do not have to wash their hair as often, and can go as long as 3 weeks without washing their hair.

How any of this is related, I am not sure, why this difference might be considered a reason to charge more, but, Ill let the hairdressers refute the claim.

Unless it is outright racism of course...


36 posted on 05/30/2005 10:37:54 AM PDT by RaceBannon ((Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: Asphalt

Having little left on top, I've always thought about asking for a discount.


39 posted on 05/30/2005 10:45:10 AM PDT by Tall_Texan (If you can think 180-degrees apart from reality, you might be a Democrat.)
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To: Asphalt

Clearly a case of racial 'fro-filing.


40 posted on 05/30/2005 10:45:58 AM PDT by ArmedNReady (Islam, the Cancer on Humanity.)
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To: mhking; Sister_T; T Lady; radiohead; brwnsuga

This is why I now do my own hair at home. No salon, white or black,can get it right.


44 posted on 05/30/2005 10:49:43 AM PDT by cyborg (I am ageless through the power of the Lord God.)
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To: Asphalt

Easy solution. Itemize the bill based on the materials used and the time per client. That would be the fairest method.


45 posted on 05/30/2005 10:52:42 AM PDT by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Asphalt
Well....at least the stylist's didn't hack a loogie in her hair. Something that Je$$ee Jack$son would never do.......
46 posted on 05/30/2005 10:52:52 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Gene Stipe...he's our man. If he can't steal it nobody can..!!)
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To: Asphalt

I have no problem with this practice as long as they charge everyone of any race extra to deal with their tight curly hair.


52 posted on 05/30/2005 11:04:10 AM PDT by Nyboe ( if rich democrats really want the rich to be taxed more ... then by all means TAX RICH DEMOCRATS)
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To: Asphalt
RANT:

Why don't stores charge more for larger sizes? My wife is a petite, and she pays the same for pants or a shirt as an XXL, and those have like twice the material. Not only that, but they clearly weigh more and take up more volume, all adding costs to production and shipping.

WHY?

I DEMAND JUSTICE!

(yes, I am freaking kidding....but curious)

58 posted on 05/30/2005 11:49:01 AM PDT by TheOtherOne
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To: Asphalt
One of the weirdest things I have ever seen happened in a local barbershop. I was sitting in the chair one morning getting a trim, there were a few other fellas in the room we were sitting around talking politics and such when through the door walks this butch lesbian. She stood next to the barber and asked him how much for a trim, The poor old feller just stood there for a few seconds thunderstruck till finally he found his voice enough to tell her that he only cuts mens hair. She stood there for a few seconds with him trying to talk him into cutting her hair. It was pathetic.
64 posted on 05/30/2005 12:33:06 PM PDT by Vote 4 Nixon (Fish...Eat...Sleep...Redux)
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To: Asphalt

I think the quoted line reveals the problem with what Dillard's is doing.

NOT ALL BLACK HAIR IS THE SAME!

A lot of the posters in this thread are saying this practice is sensible because if you have thicker, longer, coarser hair, you will naturally be charged more than someone with easier hair.

But according to this article, Dillard's is charging higher rates just because the customer is perceived to be black, regardless of that individual person's actual hair.

My mother has soft, very manageable, easy hair to deal with. She can be in and out of the salon. If they charge my mother more money than a white woman it is not fair at all! Some white women have oily, damaged hair, why should they pay less than my mother just because they are white and she is black?

You can say that Dillard's should have the right to charge whatever they want, and if a customer doesn't like it they should go somewhere else. I know there are a number of people on this website who think businesses should be able to discriminate on the basis of race, and I am not going to argue with that viewpoint.

I am saying that just because they MAY have the right, that doesn't make it right to do so. It's not right to charge someone more money because of their race, just because some OTHER people of the same race had "difficult" hair.


69 posted on 05/30/2005 1:50:02 PM PDT by DameAutour
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To: Asphalt

I have never let a white person do my hair. ever.... I have let my husband wash my hair in the shower and thats as close as it gets. But to have a white stylist relax and style my hair...... ummm no... I know it sounds awful but its true. It seems to me that allot more Black stylist are able to do white hair than the other way around.


71 posted on 05/30/2005 4:05:53 PM PDT by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Conservative!)
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To: Asphalt

from the headline, I assumed salon.com was the culprit.


114 posted on 05/30/2005 11:39:49 PM PDT by isom35
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