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Seat Belt Violators Caught By Cops Wearing Night Vision Goggles
WJLA TV (Washington, DC) ^ | Thursday June 02, 2005

Posted on 06/02/2005 8:20:41 AM PDT by tgslTakoma

Edited on 06/02/2005 8:25:19 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Rockville, Md. (AP) - Maryland State Police are using a military tool in the battle against seat belt violators.

They're using night vision goggles to find people who don't buckle up after dark. Police say 40 percent of drivers don't use their seat belts at night, making the roads much more dangerous after sunset. Police in Maryland are among 13,000 agencies nationwide that are now using the goggles.

With the goggles, Police say they can see inside cars at a distance, allowing them to nail violators who might otherwise go undetected.

The new strategy is paying off. At a seat belt enforcement operation Wednesday night on Rockville Pike, officers issued at least 44 tickets for seat belt violations.

Mod note: Associated thread.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; US: Maryland; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: bigbrother; donutwatch; leo; nannystate; nightgoggles; nightvision; revenueenhancement; seatbelt
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To: tgslTakoma
I wouldn't be surprised to find that federal funds bought the troopers their seatbelt-scofflaw-catching toys.

The DOD gives this stuff away for free. Click.

101 posted on 06/02/2005 9:25:34 AM PDT by Sandy
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To: Justanobody

Be glad that Maryland is not your state.

Hope that you're doing well and that you did find a good state. If you care to tell me (publicly or via FReep mail), what state did you end up in?


102 posted on 06/02/2005 9:26:16 AM PDT by BillF (Fight terrorists in Iraq & elsewhere, instead of waiting for them to come to America!)
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To: tgslTakoma

This is great news! It means they must have caught all of the dangerous criminals!

/Yeah right


103 posted on 06/02/2005 9:27:19 AM PDT by poindexter
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To: CSM
I appreciate the irony.

If you love wealth more than liberty,...

Well, I was trying to save a few bucks on insurance, but do not assume that I "...prefer the tranquility of servitude rather than the animated contest of freedom..."

104 posted on 06/02/2005 9:28:36 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: clearsight
...they are simply protecting the insurance industry and keeping the high priced injury and death claims down..

pure B.S. They parasite class does NOT need private industry as an impetus to harass the citizens. It is the control freaks in government who strive to obtain perfection through endless laws and regulations. Many police enjoy doing this because they basically enjoy bringing misery to people. another step towards a police state.

105 posted on 06/02/2005 9:29:29 AM PDT by liberty2004
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To: tgslTakoma

There is a US Supreme court case on point on this.

Despite the fact this is public roadway. consent would still be an issue.

You can't scan the inside of a house with infrared or "sensors" without a warrent.

You cant use detectors inside a vehicle without a warrent or consent.

This is just plain wrong.

Even a dog sniff would not apply because the dog sniff detects molecules OUTSIDE the vehicle.


106 posted on 06/02/2005 9:32:28 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: org.whodat
This is plan and simple back door tax collection

Bingo. It is strictly about one and only one thing, MONEY. No wonder many people hate cops, they harass citizens and take their money through these ridiculous methods.

107 posted on 06/02/2005 9:33:13 AM PDT by liberty2004
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To: beltfed308
Actually they have a device that detects grow lights, that has been used before for probable cause for a search warrant.
108 posted on 06/02/2005 9:34:48 AM PDT by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: Sprite518
Do you know how much 1 NVG (night vision goggle)cost?

$300.00 per year.

109 posted on 06/02/2005 9:34:48 AM PDT by Sandy
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To: ActionNewsBill

From the "about" section of their website: www.gieco.com

"Berkshire Hathaway Connection
In 1996, GEICO became a subsidiary of Berkshire Hathaway, headed by Warren Buffett, one of the country’s most successful investors."

So, it looks like saving a few bucks is your price.


110 posted on 06/02/2005 9:36:12 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: Malsua

In Indiana, we have road blocks set up to catch the people not wearing seat belts. They set them up in the middle of a small town so there's no way out.


111 posted on 06/02/2005 9:37:48 AM PDT by caver (In the words of that illustrious socialite twit Paris Hilton, "That's hot".)
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To: eastforker
Actually they have a device that detects grow lights, that has been used before for probable cause for a search warrant.

That was what I was thinking of. I was just assuming it was IR. I have heard that they look at utility bills also. Our local builing dept goes to Home Depot once a month to look for reciepts over 500.00. If over that then they look for permits being issued.

112 posted on 06/02/2005 9:38:44 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Cloth or link. Happiness is a perfect trunion.)
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To: 1Old Pro

I am waiting for someone to claim it is unconstitutional.


113 posted on 06/02/2005 9:41:41 AM PDT by verity (A mindset is an antidote to logic.)
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To: tgslTakoma
Lysander Spooner was a great mind from the 1800's. He really said it best. If you have a chance get his writings, he is a joy to read. He would be a rabid Freeper if he were here today. From Spooner,

But this theory of our government is wholly different from the practical fact. The fact is that the government, like a highwayman, says to a man: "Your money, or your life." And many, if not most, taxes are paid under the compulsion of that threat. The government does not, indeed, waylay a man in a lonely place, spring upon him from the roadside, and, holding a pistol to his head, proceed to rifle his pockets. But the robbery is none the less a robbery on that account; and it is far more dastardly and shameful. The highwayman takes solely upon himself the responsibility, danger, and crime of his own act. He does not pretend that he has any rightful claim to your money, or that he intends to use it for your own benefit. He does not pretend to be anything but a robber. He has not acquired impudence enough to profess to be merely a "protector," and that he takes men's money against their will, merely to enable him to "protect" those infatuated travellers, who feel perfectly able to protect themselves, or do not appreciate his peculiar system of protection. He is too sensible a man to make suchprofessions as these. Furthermore, having taken your money, he leaves you, as you wish him to do. He does not persist in following you on the road, against your will; assuming to be your rightful "sovereign," on account of the "protection" he affords you. He does not keep "protecting" you, by commanding you to bow down and serve him; by requiring you to do this, and forbidding you to do that; by robbing you of more money as often as he finds it for his interest or pleasure to do so; and by branding you as a rebel, a traitor, and an enemy to your country, and shooting you down without mercy, if you dispute his authority, or resist his demands. He is too much of a gentleman to be guilty of such impostures, and insults, and villanies as these. In short, he does not, in addition to robbing you, attempt to make you either his dupe or his slave. The proceedings of those robbers and murderers, who call themselves "the government," are directly the opposite of these of the single highwayman. In the first place, they do not, like him, make themselves individually known; or, consequently, take upon themselves personally the responsibility of their acts. On the contrary, they secretly (by secret ballot) designate some one of their number to commit the robbery in their behalf, while they keep themselves practically concealed. They say to the person thus designated:

114 posted on 06/02/2005 9:41:43 AM PDT by liberty2004
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To: tgslTakoma
It's times like this I wish I had a time machine. I'd love to take this article back to the time when the seatbelt laws were being debated. I remember the indignation when it was suggested that this would be used for revenue purposes, and the iron clad assurances that cops would never.... never ...stop people just for seatbelt violations. Wonder how the people back then would like to see this article?
115 posted on 06/02/2005 9:42:07 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Often wrong, but never in doubt!)
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To: beltfed308

I don't doubt that of course I am a scoflaw, I had 19 yards of concrete for a new slab for my shop, had it poured on the weekend, come monday what are they gonna do make me tear it up? I don,t think so.


116 posted on 06/02/2005 9:43:13 AM PDT by eastforker (Under Cover FReeper going dark(too much 24))
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To: CSM
In 1996, GEICO became a subsidiary of Berkshire Hathaway, headed by Warren Buffett, one of the country’s most successful investors."

So, it looks like saving a few bucks is your price.

Why, is he an evil Democrat or something?

Sorry, I don't base all of my choices in life on the false left-right paradigm.

I guess that makes me a supporter of tyranny in your book.

I'm already shopping for new insurance.

117 posted on 06/02/2005 9:43:15 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: sabatino28

Follow the money, that's all. Governmental units have seen that they've raised taxes all they can without getting voted out or starting a tax revolt. But they still want more cash for their liberal programs.

"To protect and serve" has changed; it's now "To scrounge and extort".


118 posted on 06/02/2005 9:43:18 AM PDT by Marauder (Politicians use words the way a squid uses ink.)
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To: liberty2004

"It is strictly about one and only one thing, MONEY"

And job protection. My city was going to cut police staff due to budget problems. What did they do? Reorganized and formed three new traffic units. This wasn't done because of traffic problems. It was done because these units fund themselves.


119 posted on 06/02/2005 9:43:21 AM PDT by Conservateacher
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To: tgslTakoma

I remember when seat belt laws were pitched to the public as 'secondary offenses.' The politicians promised no one would be pulled over just for their seat belt.


120 posted on 06/02/2005 9:43:55 AM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi.)
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To: tgslTakoma

Gee. Golly. I feel safer.


121 posted on 06/02/2005 9:44:35 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Sandy

Interesting site. Also, their virtual library:
http://www.justnet.org/virlib/default.asp


122 posted on 06/02/2005 9:50:31 AM PDT by bwteim
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To: liberty2004
Lysander Spooner was a great mind from the 1800's. He really said it best. If you have a chance get his writings, he is a joy to read. He would be a rabid Freeper if he were here today. From Spooner, But this theory of our government is wholly different from the practical fact. The fact is that the government, like a highwayman, says to a man: "Your money, or your life." And many, if not most, taxes are paid under the compulsion of that threat. The government does not, indeed, waylay a man in a lonely place, spring upon him from the roadside, and, holding a pistol to his head, proceed to rifle his pockets. But the robbery is none the less a robbery on that account; and it is far more dastardly and shameful. The highwayman takes solely upon himself the responsibility, danger, and crime of his own act. He does not pretend that he has any rightful claim to your money, or that he intends to use it for your own benefit. He does not pretend to be anything but a robber. He has not acquired impudence enough to profess to be merely a "protector," and that he takes men's money against their will, merely to enable him to "protect" those infatuated travellers, who feel perfectly able to protect themselves, or do not appreciate his peculiar system of protection. He is too sensible a man to make suchprofessions as these. Furthermore, having taken your money, he leaves you, as you wish him to do. He does not persist in following you on the road, against your will; assuming to be your rightful "sovereign," on account of the "protection" he affords you. He does not keep "protecting" you, by commanding you to bow down and serve him; by requiring you to do this, and forbidding you to do that; by robbing you of more money as often as he finds it for his interest or pleasure to do so; and by branding you as a rebel, a traitor, and an enemy to your country, and shooting you down without mercy, if you dispute his authority, or resist his demands. He is too much of a gentleman to be guilty of such impostures, and insults, and villanies as these. In short, he does not, in addition to robbing you, attempt to make you either his dupe or his slave. The proceedings of those robbers and murderers, who call themselves "the government," are directly the opposite of these of the single highwayman. In the first place, they do not, like him, make themselves individually known; or, consequently, take upon themselves personally the responsibility of their acts. On the contrary, they secretly (by secret ballot) designate some one of their number to commit the robbery in their behalf, while they keep themselves practically concealed. They say to the person thus designated:

Good post! Thanks for sharing as it hits the nail on the head!

123 posted on 06/02/2005 9:51:17 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Cloth or link. Happiness is a perfect trunion.)
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To: Publius6961
"I am searching for a way to recruit people across the country to review the original debates for a simple idea that evolved from a provision of choice,"

This is a simple constitutional issue that has to be fought state by state because each state enacts their own laws.

For instance, here in Missouri, a "primary" seat belt law was recently rejected by the legislature.

I would like to think the following e-mail message I sent to my state rep was partially responsible for it's defeat:

Hello Rep. Byrd,

Oh, how I hate to have to send you this e-mail message.

In the list of “Legislation Sponsored by Rep. Richard Byrd,” there is a reference to the following bill in which you are listed as the “cosponsor:”

HB 339 -- Seat Belts

Sponsor: St. Onge

This bill allows law enforcement officers to stop a vehicle for a seat belt violation if the violation is clearly visible. The fine for the violation is increased from $10 to $20.

You are a Republican. I thought Republican’s prided themselves in their philosophy of “limited government” and the rule of law. The rule of law means our Constitution’s covenants are supreme and superior to statutes and ordinances.

With that being said, consider the following:

Missouri Constitution, Bill of Rights (not privileges), Article I,

Section 2. That all constitutional government is intended to promote the general welfare of the people; that all persons have a natural right to life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness and the enjoyment of the gains of their own industry; that all persons are created equal and are entitled to equal rights and opportunity under the law; that to give security to these things is the principal office of government, and that when government does not confer this security, it fails in its chief design.

Natural rights define the boundary or space within which people are at liberty to do as they please provided their actions do not interfere with the rightful actions of others operating within their own boundaries or spaces.” (Lockean theory of police power)

The definition of “liberty:” The right and power to act, believe, or express oneself in a manner of one’s own choosing. Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control. A right and power to engage in certain actions without control or interference.”

In Lawrence v Texas, Justice Kennedy’s opinion is especially noteworthy because it protects liberty, without a any discussion of whether liberty was “fundamental.”

(At last, Footnote Four is either dead or is dying.)

Only when the exertion of a “liberty” by one individual may or does impose on the “liberty” of another individual, is the state authorized to deny or diminish a “natural right to…liberty” of all other of the citizens with a statute or ordinance.

The “liberty” to wear or not wear a seat belt does not, in any fashion or form, impose, impugn, deny or disparage any other citizen’s natural rights or liberties.

Now for the part I wish I did not have to mention:

Section 4. That Missouri is a free and independent state, subject only to the Constitution of the United States;

U.S. Constitution

Amendment XIV

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States;"

Amendment IX

"The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights, shall not be construed to DENY OR DISPARAGE others (rights) retained by the people."

It is surely a right “retained by the people” as to the decision of a free citizen of the U.S. whether to wear a seat belt or not while operating an automobile, especially during private use.

With all of that being said, then I wish to inform you that you will be “personally liable” for the damages citizens will incur from the enactment and enforcement of this “seat belt” law.

In addition, every police officer who enforces this law will also be held liable, as well, as described below:

U.S. Supreme Court HAFER v. MELO, 502 U.S. 21 (1991)

Federal law, 42 U.S.C. 1983, states:

"Every person who, under color of any statute, ordinance, regulation, custom, or usage, of any State . . . subjects, or causes to be subjected, any citizen of the United States or other person within the jurisdiction thereof to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured by the Constitution and laws, shall be liable to the party injured. . . ."

"We hold that state officials, sued in their individual capacities, are "persons" within the meaning of 1983. The Eleventh Amendment does not bar such suits, nor are state officers absolutely immune from personal liability under 1983 solely by virtue of the "official" nature of their acts.

The judgment of the Court of Appeals is Affirmed."

By providing no judicially enforceable limit whatsoever on the police power of states, such a construction would violate the original meaning of Amendment XIV.

So, please withdraw your co sponsorship of this unconstitutional legislation and please inform your fellow legislators of their personal financial risk that they will be risking if the support the enactment and enforcement of a HB 339.

124 posted on 06/02/2005 9:57:32 AM PDT by tahiti
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To: Reactionary
One suspects that there's been a rash of people who've crashed through windshields at high rates of speed, thus endangering lookers-on and other motorists.

Right. I'd need actual statistics and a case by case examination before I would believe this.

125 posted on 06/02/2005 9:58:19 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: ActionNewsBill

Nope, he is more the socialist type. He was solidly behind JFnKerry and I'd compare him to Soros.



"Sorry, I don't base all of my choices in life on the false left-right paradigm.

I guess that makes me a supporter of tyranny in your book."

Not really, but you are admitting you are willing to support socialism if it means you save a few bucks. Your admitting that your freedom can be bought. That was the point of the irony. I know that you are presenting a small example, but if you add enough small examples together you end up living at the whims of others.


"I'm already shopping for new insurance."

Good news, I wish you luck.

Personally, the name of GEICO (Government Employees Insurance COmpany) contains a hugh red flag that didn't need the added Buffet issue. I wouldn't give Progressive any of my earnings either.


126 posted on 06/02/2005 10:06:45 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: tgslTakoma
I see a real problem with this, not just with the implied "snooping" but with the credibility of the statement. Here's why:

I happen to own a pair of G2 NVG's. They work great, except for the failing of any NVG device, and that's light overloading. Now, these puppies are so sensitive that using a TV remote is as good as an 8 cell mag light. They have a sensitivity from IR into the visible range, but they will, and do, get washed out if a strong light source appears. While they have AGC (Automatic Gain Control) it's not perfect, and I do hesitate to use them where there is a chance of strong ambient light. Admittedly these are a few years old, and technology has improved.

This being said, if an LEO is standing near a road scanning for cars, most roads are not real dark. As a matter of fact, at least here, near Philly, the damn light pollution from the city is so bad that nothing is really dark anymore. 40+ years ago, I used to be able to use my homebuilt 8" reflector in my backyard in Glenolden, PA, and have a great time observing. One could even have a reasonable good time with a pair of 7x50 binocs.. Today, in upper Darby, the light pollution is so bad, one is lucky to see 1st magnitude stars, and that's on a good night.

What's this mean for the seat belt cops? Simply that their NVG's are going to be rendered useless by either too much ambient light from light pollution, street lamps, or those demon-designed actinic blue-whote eye burner headlights which the car manufacturers seem to be falling all over each other to place on their new vehicles. I don't know about you, but since I happen to have venous stasis retinopathy in my left eye, and am trying to preserve my vision, I really don't need that insult at night.

At any rate, I fail to see, in the face of all this bright light, and the predilection of people to put as many lights on their SUV's as can be mounted, and use same, even if on-road use is mostly illegal, can these seat belt warriors see anything????

I believe in safety, I don't however, like it showed down my throat by big brother. Safety equipment should be a personal thing and a personal choice, and mot a mandate. 40+ years ago I owned a very fast 1958 Chevy convertible. I fitted it with a roll bar fully braced, and had 6 point aircraft restraint harnesses attached to the integral roll cage, which I also installed. One could use the shoulder restraints, or not, as one wished... the lap belt was a full 4". At the time, I was pretty ahead of the game, but felt safe doing the kind of racing I was doing at the time.

I really don't like people showing :what's good for me down my throat 24/7. I feel that, being both an aerospace engineer and commercial pilot, that I have learned enough about impact survival to make informed decision and equip my conveyances accordingly. I also know, that seatbelts aren't the guaranteed, 100 percent panacea that they are cracked up to be. in 1999 I was involved in an auto accident, (not my fault) I don't remember anything from 2 days before until 5 days after. I was, however wearing a seat belt. The vehicle did not have an air bag. I don't know exactly what transpired, but evidently the inertia reel for the shoulder restraint didn't lock, or at least, lock properly.I suffered a closed head injury. Yes, I was properly compensated, although I was forced to retire both as an engineer, and as a pilot, having lost my FAA Medical

I guess the moral of all this is let everyone choose their level of safety, and also check yours...make darn sure if you use your seatbelts, check the inertia locks by jerking on the shoulder restraints until they lock...there should be a "manual jock" or better yet, a gas initiator fired off the same circuit which initiates the airbags to retract and lock the harness. Shoulder harness should be aircraft style, over each shoulder, and terminate in a quick release lap belt release so they could be opened with one hand if necessary. A cutting tool should also be provided on each exit door along with a window break hammer to permit egress if the belts can't be released, the door opened, or the windows lowered.

As far as the cops using NVG's, pure hogwash....another invasion of personal privacy and a step closer to "PAPERS!!!"

Greg.

127 posted on 06/02/2005 10:09:08 AM PDT by gwmoore (As the manual for the Russian Nagant revolver states: "Target Practice:'At the Deserter, FIRE' '')
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To: Terabitten
If someone wants to be stupid and engage in reckless behavior that only endangers themselves, go for it.

It's the insurance lobby. They want you to pay in but, they don't want to pay out. Hurts their bottom lines.

Air bags was pushed by insurance companies. I believe just about everything having to do with driving restrictions is directly related to an insurance company.

128 posted on 06/02/2005 10:10:34 AM PDT by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: BillF
Be glad that Maryland is not your state. Oh, I am, I am!! LOL!

Thanks so much for thinking of me! I don't know how I missed this one. I did find a state that started this same crap right after I arrived. I may have to go to NH after all. ;*)

Will FReepmail you shortly.

129 posted on 06/02/2005 10:11:38 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (I - L O V E - my attitude problem!)
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To: tgslTakoma
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.-- C. S. Lewis
130 posted on 06/02/2005 10:14:44 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed by me to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: liberty2004

The police love to pull that kind of duty because it is easy and relatively much safer for them than busting drug labs or chasing speeders through heavy traffic. Usually the size of the stomach on the officer is indicative of the real personal risk involved in the duty they are pulling.

"B.S. That parasite class does NOT need private industry as an impetus to harass the citizens."

I agree they are not thinking of the ins. industry while doing it, they are just blindly enforcing the law, but the state representative who took bribe money from the ins. industry to present the bill requiring the wearing of seat belts did have an impetus.


131 posted on 06/02/2005 10:15:02 AM PDT by clearsight
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To: clearsight

RUSH is reading this right now........


132 posted on 06/02/2005 10:15:32 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: verity
"I am waiting for someone to claim it is unconstitutional."

Perhaps you can explain how it is Constitutional? Keep in mind the seatbelt laws are based on extortion, which must be addressed. Yes, the word extortion is properly used, because the matter was not left up to the States, or as originally promised-to the people, as claimed in the original engineering mandate to the automakers. See, the feds use income tax money for the express purpose of forcing States to comply with their mandate.

Where's the clause giving Congress the authority to do this, or to delegate it?

133 posted on 06/02/2005 10:15:39 AM PDT by spunkets
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To: All

RUSH DISCUSSING THIS STORY NOW


134 posted on 06/02/2005 10:16:54 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: pbrown

I think you are on to something.......Sherlock.....Holmes that is........(humor)


135 posted on 06/02/2005 10:18:19 AM PDT by clearsight
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To: tgslTakoma
Police say 40 percent of drivers don't use their seat belts at night, making the roads much more dangerous after sunset.

Just how does a driver not wearing a seatbelt make "...the roads much more dangerous after sunset"?

This is a sham and a disgrace. It's a revenue generating scheme plain and simple.

Somebody should run for office on simple promises kept to repeal all traffic cameras and night vision goggles used in traffic enforcement. It would be a landslide victory for any candidate.

136 posted on 06/02/2005 10:21:14 AM PDT by DCPatriot
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To: William Terrell
"Right. I'd need actual statistics and a case by case examination before I would believe this."

I think I forgot the sarcasm tag. :)

137 posted on 06/02/2005 10:25:51 AM PDT by Reactionary
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To: CSM
Not really, but you are admitting you are willing to support socialism if it means you save a few bucks.

Others here have supported socialism by voting for Bush.

At least I got something for my "vote" to stay with GEICO for longer than I should have.

138 posted on 06/02/2005 10:25:54 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: pbrown
Air bags was pushed by insurance companies. I believe just about everything having to do with driving restrictions is directly related to an insurance company.

Actually, airbags were pushed by Elizabeth Dole and the DoT more than the insurance companies. See http://www.fee.org/vnews.php?nid=5192 Mandatory seatbelt laws came as a result of Dole's blackmail against the automakers, threatening them with an airbag mandate unless seatbelt laws were enacted.

Poor suckers, they thought they could trust a government bureaucrat, but wound up screwed with the airbag mandate anyway.

Insurance companies' costs are massively increased by airbags - they are required by law to be original equipment, and a single fender bender with no injuries can rack up thousands of dollars in airbag repair costs alone. See http://www.lemurzone.com/airbag/cost.htm for an example scenario calculating nearly $4,000 to repair the airbag system on a 1994 Taurus.

What's the result? Poor people can no longer afford cars.

139 posted on 06/02/2005 10:28:53 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: ActionNewsBill

That's why I appreciated the irony.


140 posted on 06/02/2005 10:28:58 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: mvpel

"What's the result? Poor people can no longer afford cars."

Yep. Plus the migration of manufacturing to low cost countries.


141 posted on 06/02/2005 10:30:27 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: Terabitten
What an absolute, utter waste of police resources.

Police. What an absolute, utter waste.

142 posted on 06/02/2005 10:31:34 AM PDT by FreedomAvatar (Gravity is only a theory)
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To: Publius6961

Well, you are probably right. It all started with the concept of "You don't know what is best for you. We, being wiser will tell you what is best for you". Everything comes from that ill conceived notion. in any case, it is about power.


143 posted on 06/02/2005 10:32:12 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: tgslTakoma

Cheers to the dummies who thought we could have just a little bit of a Nanny State.


144 posted on 06/02/2005 10:34:23 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: pepsi_junkie

"Winston, you suffer from a defective memory.."


145 posted on 06/02/2005 10:34:37 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: Sandy
The DOD gives this stuff away for free.

Yep. And it all started as a way to arm the locals for the Drug War.

146 posted on 06/02/2005 10:35:43 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: AbeKrieger
Seat belt stops as a primary offense, in my researched opinion, are basically a new way for ploice to justify pulling over more people likely to be scofflaws in other ways.

Bingo. I recall in Indianapolis a few years back they had police pulling over good drivers to give them free pizzas. A news crew had followed the cops and interviewed the drivers and just about every one of them was pissed. I know I would have been!

147 posted on 06/02/2005 10:36:10 AM PDT by Squeako (ACLU: "Only Christians, Boy Scouts and War Memorials are too vile to defend.")
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To: Red Badger

"Why were the seat belt violators wearing night vision goggles?......"

Thanks. I read it that way, too.


148 posted on 06/02/2005 10:37:12 AM PDT by AlGone2001 (I'm still waiting to hear from the RNC Chairman)
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To: sandbar
Dangerous for whom? The non-seatbelt wearers?

Yes. Watch this video from Ireland.

http://highwaysafety.utah.gov/damage2.rm

149 posted on 06/02/2005 10:37:29 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: CSM
That's why I appreciated the irony.

Yes, one would think that you do...after all, socialism from Democrats is far worse than socialism coming from Republicans.

The truth is, there is no right or left, There is only right and wrong.

The party bosses and ardent followers would have you believe otherwise. They would have you believe that right is whatever particular party they belong to, and wrong is the political opposition.

This might be true if the “sides” of today were genuine. Instead, both parties and most mainstream organizations funnel into the same end result: total control.

While the left and right bicker publicly on “hot topics," the end result is the same, regardless of who is President, or who is in control of Congress.

Less freedoms for individuals, less sovereignty for nations, losses of jobs through insane international agreements like NAFTA, the dilution of American culture, and the over extension of our military.

It’s been said that if you don’t like what the Republicans are doing, vote for the Democrats, and if you don’t like what Democrats are doing, vote Republican. It’s set up like a game. I have my favorite team, and you have yours. I’ll back my team no matter what, just as long as your team doesn’t win.

The problem is, both teams are full of scandalous figures who are so busy selling you and I out for their own personal gain, they have no time or desire to help our country in this time of need. While we Americans are busy cheering our favorite politicos and jeering our least favorites, both sides are pursuing the policy of the destruction of America.

150 posted on 06/02/2005 10:39:27 AM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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