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Is Staying Home with Children "Shirking Work" For Child Support Purposes? [UNBELIEVABLE LAWSUIT]
Findlaw's Writ ^ | 6/14/05 | Joanna Grossman

Posted on 06/15/2005 2:32:06 PM PDT by freespirited

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To: freespirited

At 43, with three children, staying home is a pretty common call. My wife now stays home, giving up a six figure salary to do so. We believe the kids are better off, she is better off, and the family is better off with her home. I make a fine salary -- but losing 110K in income hurts -- period.

This case is obviously one that is fact-driven, and should be based upon the individual circumstances of each case and each family.

At 472K, contributing 4k a month to child support is not a real problem. This is a guy who is probably damn mad at the wife, and would rather have the money in his pocket. I can't blame him for that -- but this is a situation of their making.

Neither of these folks are horribly sympathetic, Particularly when most American families would love to net a total of 4K a month in their whole houshold.



21 posted on 06/15/2005 2:53:18 PM PDT by Iron Eagle
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To: DoughtyOne
I wonder who would pay if he decided not to work. I'll bet the court would force him to work, and there's your answer.

If he refused to work, he would be in jail. If the roles were reversed, he would be in jail. Men's disobedience to the child support industry will not be tolerated.

22 posted on 06/15/2005 2:55:30 PM PDT by Luddite Patent Counsel ("Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - Groucho Marx)
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To: Iron Eagle
At 472K, contributing 4k a month to child support is not a real problem.

It's never a problem when it's not your money.

23 posted on 06/15/2005 2:56:48 PM PDT by Luddite Patent Counsel ("Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others." - Groucho Marx)
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To: fr_freak

I think your post pretty much nailed it.


24 posted on 06/15/2005 2:57:56 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: Lorianne
A lot of men would rather have the 2nd income than a stay at home mom for the kids.

Im not one of them..

25 posted on 06/15/2005 3:00:04 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Extraordinary Circumstances- proving PT Barnum was right..)
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To: freespirited

They each have equal capacity to earn fairly generous incomes. They agreed that each would cover the expense of the child during their half of the year.

She has decided to take off work during her custody period, and has asked him to pay her a stipend during that time. Is she willing to do the same for him, if he decides to take off work when the child is staying with him?

That would be my verdict. Instead of alternating weeks, let them alternate months. Let him pay her the $4k during her month off, then when he has custody and she's back at work, let her pay him.


26 posted on 06/15/2005 3:00:14 PM PDT by marron
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To: tfecw


As for why they got divorced? If he was cheating or beating the ol wife i highly doubt he would have equal custody of the kiddies


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Your joking right? What does cheating have to do with custody under nofault divorce laws?

I think that if I worked full time and hubby worked full time and Daddy left and I was not able to get a part time job I would stay home with the children. The kids would be on tenterhooks as it is and need the extra guidance.


27 posted on 06/15/2005 3:03:06 PM PDT by mlmr (CHICKIE-POO!)
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To: Iron Eagle

At 472K, contributing 4k a month to child support is not a real problem

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I read it as 4k more a month...I imagine he is paying 7 or 8K. But at 472 that still doesnt give much of a bump.


28 posted on 06/15/2005 3:04:47 PM PDT by mlmr (CHICKIE-POO!)
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To: freespirited

"Moreover, he argued, the children were of school-age, had no special needs, and had done well earlier in their lives, when both parents worked full time."

And about all this, he had a good point!

Great post! This was really and excellent article, it gave a very informative over view of this subject, and was quite readable, if a little exacting in its precision (but I guess that can't be avoided in a piece like this). It also really shows, not tells but shows, how divorce truly undermines family life; and indicates via its discussion of even the wealthiest amoung us, how that starts to undermine all of society. Especially in its impact on the children in the family. If this family was together they might have the mom stay home; or maybe she could get better part time work (it seemed the week on/week off custody was making sucha gig hard to find, maybe), or they might have big fights about it (all the time!), but they wouldn't be adversaries in a court room, letting "society" and THE GOVERNMENT run their lives and raise their children.

So telling, really.


29 posted on 06/15/2005 3:06:37 PM PDT by jocon307 (Can we close the border NOW?)
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To: mlmr
"Your joking right? What does cheating have to do with custody under nofault divorce laws? "

I never joke. ;)

I have no idea what cheating does in terms of custody. I do know that men have a very difficult time getting custody of kids. I haven't experienced divorce first hand or via my parents so i dunno. I think it's pretty clear that if he's abusive or shooting H that he wouldn't have equal custody.

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I think that if I worked full time and hubby worked full time and Daddy left and I was not able to get a part time job I would stay home with the children. The kids would be on tenterhooks as it is and need the extra guidance.""

Sure I would agree with that scenario, but this article couldn't be any farther from that scenario.
30 posted on 06/15/2005 3:07:52 PM PDT by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier than working)
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To: marron

She left a job paying 240 a year to stay home and he bitches about 4 k in support? That is peculiar.

But the fair thing is for both to have 1/2 time jobs,,they could job share since she can't get 1/2 time. And then both contribute and both get to stay home.


31 posted on 06/15/2005 3:08:26 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: wideawake

I believe about 2/3 of divorces are initiated by the wife.


32 posted on 06/15/2005 3:08:57 PM PDT by Restorer
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To: jocon307
but they wouldn't be adversaries in a court room, letting "society" and THE GOVERNMENT run their lives and raise their children.

Of course, restricting their ability to divorce would also constitute "society" and THE GOVERNMENT running their lives.

33 posted on 06/15/2005 3:09:14 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: tfecw

Sure I would agree with that scenario, but this article couldn't be any farther from that scenario

But that was the gist of the article.




I have no idea what cheating does in terms of custody.

Not much.


34 posted on 06/15/2005 3:10:00 PM PDT by mlmr (CHICKIE-POO!)
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To: mlmr

"But that was the gist of the article. "

Wrong try reading the article, not Gisting it. Post 20 gives a "gist" of the article.


"I read it as 4k more a month...I imagine he is paying 7 or 8K. But at 472 that still doesnt give much of a bump."

Sure, he's already paying for all the other lazy people who don't want to work, what's one more?


35 posted on 06/15/2005 3:11:24 PM PDT by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier than working)
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To: tfecw

"they don't say how much he pays but mentioned that the 2 parents pay about the same (dad pays a couple hundred dollars more)"

But, I think the situation here, and why it went to court, was that originally the dad was paying $0.00 in child support. They just each went about their lives with the kids and only if a big expense came up would either have to part with a specific amount of $$. Then, even when the mom started working part time she supplemented with other income from investments, etc. and still did not get a "child support" income from ex-hubby.

Now, she wanted to stop working all together and have him provide a monthly (annual, whatever) "stipend"; and I guess she'll get it now. But, as the kids are older, and as the father does have a great ability to pay, I suppose it's ok for these people. But what I really got out of this article is how really bad a way that is to life one's life as a parent.


36 posted on 06/15/2005 3:11:56 PM PDT by jocon307 (Can we close the border NOW?)
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To: jocon307

I felt sorry for the kids, one week with mom, one week with Dad. How can a kid deal with that? It just seems so disruptive unless they live around the corner from each other.


37 posted on 06/15/2005 3:14:14 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: jocon307
oooh that's interesting. I guess it doesn't really make sense for the mother to pay dad x amount of dollars and for dad to pay mother pretty much the same right back ;)
38 posted on 06/15/2005 3:14:37 PM PDT by tfecw (Vote Democrat, It's easier than working)
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To: Luddite Patent Counsel

"It's never a problem when it's not your money."

And that's true too.


39 posted on 06/15/2005 3:16:32 PM PDT by jocon307 (Can we close the border NOW?)
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To: Lorianne
Obviously, he doesn't value mom staying home with children.

No, he doesn't value her refusing to pull her weight financially. Her little mid-life crisis is costing him $4000 more per month.

40 posted on 06/15/2005 3:17:30 PM PDT by Modernman ("Laws are like sausages, it is better not to see them being made." -Bismarck)
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