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No one has anything to say about what was said on Greta's show tonight?

Ok brigette: Many of us on FR have not cared for Greta before. The criticisms were very numerous. However, I believe she is doing a very fine job, and I think most agree on this point. And, I have observed that when she is interviewing and just talking she looses that high-pitched whine that she usually had on her regular show that so many found annoying.

Also, I like the fact that she is not accepting any theory and just going gung hoe down one road because it is the "popular" conception. She even mentioned tonight that she does not understand why the police are just focusing on JvdS. I found that very objective and it let me know she is suspicious of everything/everyone, and not just accepting of the most current possibility.

She also said that the police told her that PVDS was taken in because of something said during the interviews she had with him. However she admitted that she listened very carefully, and has even reviewed those videos and cannot for the life of her figure out what he might have said. Well, remember...he got a phone call. Maybe it was something that was said on the phone to him, or that he said back to the person who called. I believe we heard that their the phone was tapped. I wonder if it still is? So, Greta might not have heard a telling comment, but maybe the police did, and it did happen during the interview, just not at the table with Greta. Now, just who knew about the interview, and how long Greta would be there, and when to call or why is the question.

I still have a feeling that this family is being targeted in some manner that is not quite on-target. Maybe some criminals are using Joran's association/meeting and last time with Natalee to put Paulus in a "between the rock and hard place" position - between what they would do to him and his family, and the law and being incriminated as it is not playing out. Maybe someone else took Natalee and Paulus was forced to give them money (The money he drew out in the middle of the night from the ATM machine) or they would kill Natalee and make Joran take the fall? Maybe they have a score to settle with Paulus for something in the past? Sure he was wringing his hands, sweating (well even Greta said it was very hot, and he was under a lot of stress), but consider he might be worried because of some worse threats made to him if he slipped up or told about some blackmail scheme or something. Possible, perhaps?

Greta also said that everyone she spoke to had very good things to say about the family and Paulus. And the things about Joran, when you think of it fairly, he is like most teen boys and not all that horrible. The drinking - well, look at college kids, drunk a lot and underage, it is epidemic on campus. And, consider...the lifestyle of teens there and in Europe is pretty different. In England the teens, even at age 15, are in the pubs all the time. Often drinking, even though legally they should not. My friend's daughter was there for a year and in the pubs all the time when they lived in England. As to being in the casinos, that is not unusual in these islands either. We just don't have the same standards here, but there it is not considered horrible or that it makes him a terrible boy. The teens go to the casinos there like our kids hang out in the malls. Not always gambling constantly, but hanging out. Anyway, much of the really horrible things about Joran that were said, I believe were debunked on many other sites, and reports on the news. He might not be a perfect angel, but I don't get the feeling he is a criminal type or nearly as bad as some teens running our streets and reaking havoc on the public.

I think Greta feels there is truly something darker, deeper to this story. Other commentators are also questioning the same thing lately.

I guess it is my mother's heart that does not want any possibly innocent teen to be incriminated or wrongly accused of this horrible situation. And I ache just the same as everyone for Natalee and her mother, and all the mothers in this. My own son was shot in the head and almost died, and the perps have never been brought to justice. My son is blind now, so I know the agony of Beth as close as I can having experienced my own worry for my son. I also know that the earliest suspect in the shooting of my son was wrongly fingered and the agony his family suffered. I am trying to leave that lesson guide my feelings and not rush to judgement on what seems to be obvious. I think Greta is doing the same.

I know many do not agree, and I do not mean to say any others are wrong. Nor do I want to argue. I just have grown to have a different perspective, and I might surely be totally wrong. My heart hopes, however, that if there is a big, bad criminal/s lurking out there, allowing others to take this fall, that the person/s is found. If it is the VDS father and son, then justice should be served for them also, of course. I just, at this point, cannot accept what is on the surface after my own experience with my son and an innocent boy who at first was wrongly accused of shooting him, and whose life would have been ruined forever simply because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

I keep watching, and evaluating everything very carefully. I keep weighing all that is being said about Joran and the other boys against the actions of teens that I know. I truly do not see really bad behavior, at least a shocking record of it. If Joran is responsible, I would not be shocked, but would be surprised. It just does not seem so black and white to me.

Sorry that I am in the minority, but this is MHO and I find no fault with others' feelings. (And no, I did not think Michael Jackson was innocent or OJ...so I am not a bleeding heart!) I hope my comments are taken in the perspective I offer them, and not as a challenge. I pray ever so much, and so hard for all the families and children in this horrible situation.

Excellent post, CitizenM and I am so terribly sorry and saddened about your son. God bless you.

I haven't needed to post, because you have said things better than I could have. I appreciate all the research going on in this case by everyone, but don't want to rush to judgment on this young man. The evidence certainly points to him, but as Greta said today, everyone believed that the man who was first arrested for kidnapping Elizabeth Smart and died of a heart attack in custody was guilty of the crime, but it turned out not to be true.

I am so sorry to hear about your son. What a horrible experience. I hope he is doing ok. You sure understand what Natalee's parents and relatives are going through. This must be horrible for you, bringing back a lot of memories of what happened to your son.

Great post CitizenM.

heartfelt comments Citizen....so sorry about your son.....

Oh my gosh. What a story.

Sorry that I am in the minority, but this is MHO and I find no fault with others' feelings. (And no, I did not think Michael Jackson was innocent or OJ...so I am not a bleeding heart!) I hope my comments are taken in the perspective I offer them, and not as a challenge. I pray ever so much, and so hard for all the families and children in this horrible situation.

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Thank you for sharing your perspective, CitizenM. I'm always ashamed later for speculations I make in the beginning. Think I'll reel myself in a bit. Thanks, again, and I am so sorry to hear of what happened to your family and the family of the boy who was innocent.

And I ache just the same as everyone for Natalee and her mother, and all the mothers in this. My own son was shot in the head and almost died, and the perps have never been brought to justice. My son is blind now, so I know the agony of Beth as close as I can having experienced my own worry for my son. I also know that the earliest suspect in the shooting of my son was wrongly fingered and the agony his family suffered. I am trying to leave that lesson guide my feelings and not rush to judgement on what seems to be obvious

Thanks for sharing your perspective. I am so sorry about your tragic experience and as a mother, empathize with you and your son. Prayers sent your way....