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Surviving a Nuclear Attack on Washington, D.C.
National Journal ^ | June 24th 2005 | By Sydney J. Freedberg Jr.

Posted on 06/24/2005 10:54:52 AM PDT by ExSoldier

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To: Paul Ross

FEMA is Civil Defense. Works good. Your $2000 and house trailer will be available within 10 years of the nuclear attack.


381 posted on 08/19/2006 1:33:04 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: ExSoldier; B4Ranch; kattracks; ALOHA RONNIE; GOP_1900AD; JohnHuang2; tallhappy; navyvet; ...
But if we get hit....of course....it'll be BUSH's fault. Not sure they won't be correct, either.

True, but I won't belabor that or suggest recriminations. But I must emphasize what should be the obvious understanding, that in time of war (or Cold War for that matter) true military leadership doesn't let the civilian sensibility tell it what is and isn't acceptable military necessity.

The Commander In Chief is in charge of not just the Armed Forces, his job is not merely to issue orders to just Generals...but to make sure the necessary military and civilian-defense preparations and deployments are approved by Congress and the States...and that they actually happen. It's called management.

Once upon a time, this administration was not bashful about boasting on its managerial prowess. If this is the best that the RINOs can do, and the RATs take us even further down the incompetence slope...we are really in for it.

And if the Civilian sensibilities do get in the way of doing essential preventative actions, then the President is supposed to go "over the heads" of the miscreants, and use the bully pulpit to persuade the voters. Loudly and often. Whatever it takes. And thus steam-roll over the political obstacles to our national survival.

Ronald Reagan was always solid on Civil Defense, and believed strongly in it. He was convinced by his close intellectual associate and good friend, Laurence Beilenson*, who wrote a number of well-supported and reasoned books on it (which I read back in the 70's and 80's), here is an obituary from National Review:

Laurence W. Beilenson, RIP - obituary
National Review, August 19, 1988
by Kevin Lynch

Laurence W. Beilenson, RIP

Laurence Wellman Beilenson, author of The Treaty Trap, Power through Subversion, and Survival and Peace in the Nuclear Age, was born in Helena, Arkansas, in 1899, the son of a Lithuanian Jew. When his father sent him north to school, to Phillips Andover, it was with a warning about something he hadn't experienced in the South: anti-Semitism. No one really knew what caused it, his father said, but it had been around a long time. He advised his son that the best way to fight it was by example.

The young man did his best to take his father's advice, and he excelled at Harvard College and Harvard Law School, as he had at Andover, once his education was resumed after World War I. He took his new law degree west, ending up in Los Angeles just as the golden age of Hollywood was dawning.

He started advising actors on their efforts to unionize and, in 1933, became the founding attorney of the Screen Actors Guild. By the end of the 1930s, his career was soaring, and he was happily married. Then came World War II. He had some difficulty convincing the U.S. Army that it needed the services of a 42 year-old lawyer; but by war's end, he was a U.S. liaison officer with the Chinese army and had been awarded, among other medals, the Silver Star for gallantry in action.

In 1946, he was back in Los Angeles practicing law. Though he knew the brightest stars of Hollywood--his clients included Groucho Marx, John Garfield, Greta Garbo, Gregory Peck, and Ronald Reagan--and had hundreds of Hollywood stories, he never betrayed a confidence. He represented Ronald Reagan in his divorce from Jane Wyman, and the only comment I ever heard from him about it was that it was the most amicable divorce he was ever involved in.

In 1960, he ended his legal practice and applied himself to the study of history, working ten hours a day, five and often six days a week, at the UCLA library. The result, nine years later, was The Treaty Trap, a meticulously documented examination of how treaties don't prevent nations from starting wars. Among the book's many admirers is Mr. Reagan, who has quoted from it frequently.

In 1972 came Power through Subversion--an investigation of how power is seized and kept, with particular attention paid to the methods of Lenin-- and, in 1980, Survival and Peace in the Nuclear Age, which advocated the withdrawal of U.S. forces from NATO.

Not long after Survival and Peace was published, Larry was diagnosed as having lung cancer. Doctors gave him no more than a year, but he had a powerful incentive to live: his beloved wife, Gerda, suffering from Alzheimer's disease, needed him. Larry underwent chemotherapy, and he exercised, and he lived. Gerda died in 1985, with her husband at her side.

After Gerda's death, Larry immersed himself even more in his work. He continued to write articles, for this and other publications. But he would not write the book the publishers implored him to write, a memoir of his Hollywood years. He felt no need for the money or the fame.

The need he did feel was to reach more Americans with his message of how the United States could remain free. He believed this was all he had to say that was important. But for those who knew him, his life said even more.


OLD FRIENDS: Reagan, in 1949, when he was president of SAG, with Beilenson, near right, then the lawyer for the union


382 posted on 08/19/2006 2:00:45 PM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: sheik yerbouty

Do unto others before they do unto you.


383 posted on 08/19/2006 2:03:47 PM PDT by Uncle Vlad (You cannot protect the peoples' civil liberties if you refuse to protect the people.)
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To: RightWhale
FEMA is Civil Defense. Works good.

The failures of the administration to take Civil Defense as seriously as it ought to is just a plain mystery to me.

384 posted on 08/19/2006 2:05:30 PM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: JAKraig

And what if we knew the bomb came from elsewhere? Like, NKorea, for instance? Would we merely nuke NKorea and leave the rest of our enemies in 'peace'?

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A bomb in DC will scar DC for a long time but it will be the death of Islam.

If the Arab world knew that we had no choice other than the kind of massive retaliation that will follow a nuclear strike on our soil they might do all they can to stop the terrorist before they commit mass suicide.


385 posted on 08/19/2006 2:06:39 PM PDT by XenaLee
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To: Blzbba
"The offices of the Internal Revenue Service — less than a quarter-mile west from ground zero — ... collapse"

Well, THERE'S a silver lining to the mushroom cloud.

A dazzlingly bright lining. If only it were possible to secure all the other buildings, I wouldn't give it another thought.

386 posted on 08/19/2006 2:08:43 PM PDT by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: TXnMA; ExSoldier

FWIW, and important on a much smaller scale, we lost all of Helen Keller's archives/memorabilia in a basement museum of one of the Twin Towers. Not sure what else was lost, but that sticks with me for some reason. :(

And lets not kid ourselves. We couldn't even handle Katrina/Rita because of the magnatude of the destruction (not getting into the blame game for now.)

It truly WILL be every Man for Himself if we get nuked. So, don't be scared; be prepared as best you can be with food, a basement (yours or a neighbors), cots, wind-up radio, bottled water, meds if you need them, something to make fire, etc. We have a great kit put together for tornadoes & blizzards in our basement. A lot of that "survival" stuff would come in hand in this instance, too.

Unless you're at Ground Zero...but who can say where that will be against these nutjobs?


387 posted on 08/19/2006 2:10:10 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: JockoManning

"Bookmarking post # 297, account of my dream of a state capital in midwest being nuked during my lifetime."

Was it Madison, WI? We used to be #10 on the list to be nuked by the Russians. We used to have Nuclear Missles aimed at Russia (over the North Pole) at Truax Airfield in the early 70's, actually. They're gone now, but the bunkers are still there and used for storage for the Army National Guard.

We've sat on top of those bunkers to watch fireworks on the 4th of July. Pretty ironic, Eh?


388 posted on 08/19/2006 2:15:52 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: backtothestreets
relocating our nations capital would spur such economic activity with people building homes, companies relocating offices, and foreign governments building new embassies in this new city that every segment of our economy would enjoy great benefit

I have an equally sensible idea: hire lots of people to throw rocks through windows. This would spur a great deal of new economic activity when people had to buy new ones.

(Bonus points for naming the source of that analogy.)

389 posted on 08/19/2006 2:46:52 PM PDT by steve-b ("Creation Science" is to the religous right what "Global Warming" is to the socialist left.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
We have a great kit put together for tornadoes & blizzards in our basement. A lot of that "survival" stuff would come in hand in this instance, too.

We have been "tent campers" for over thirty years. (Archaeological "digs" are seldom in civilized and easily-accessible locations...) So, when the need arises, we just shift into "camping mode".

I recall one hurricane in MA: when the electricity went off, my wife just lifted her pot of chowder-in-progress off the electric range and onto the Coleman stove. While others were panicking and depressed, we just enjoyed a comfortable "indoors campout". In this (nuke) scenario, we would have done the same -- but in the basement...

390 posted on 08/19/2006 3:05:01 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: ExSoldier
Gamma rays only occur during the fireball stage of detonation.
391 posted on 08/19/2006 3:06:30 PM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Will tell you in FReepmail.


392 posted on 08/19/2006 3:26:12 PM PDT by JockoManning
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To: Uncle Vlad

Absolutely..


393 posted on 08/19/2006 3:51:48 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Rummyfan

Chocolate City Melts!


394 posted on 08/19/2006 3:58:55 PM PDT by ABN 505
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To: TXnMA

I know! It amazes me how many people have absolutely NO survival skills. We've lost that in ONE short generation!

Granted, Army training helps, and knowing how to hunt and fish helps (before everything is blanketed in nuclear waste) and not minding getting dirt under your fingernails helps, too. A garden helps, and having laying hens helps, though I don't really want to eat Green Eggs with or without the Ham, thank you, LOL!

We live in the boonies and I can't begin to tell you how many times our power has gone out at inopportune times. A generator is next on the list; we have a wind up radio and shake-able flashlights, flares, candles, gas grill and Coleman everything.

So, if any Freepers are in southern Wisconsin when the balloon goes us, drag your sorry butts on over here and we'll get through this together. ;)


395 posted on 08/19/2006 5:09:32 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Tall_Texan
I guess I would care very much since my husband works in a building next to Union Station less than 2 blocks from the Capital building.

Before you make callous remarks think about to whom those remarks apply.

396 posted on 08/19/2006 5:18:18 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: SoftballMominVA

I have loved ones in DC. And in Maryland, and in northern Virginia, too.

I would care very much were there a nuke attack on DC, God forbid.


397 posted on 08/19/2006 5:41:15 PM PDT by JockoManning
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To: BulletBobCo
Gamma rays only occur during the fireball stage of detonation.

Yup. That's what it says in my notes from the army's NBC (Nuclear, Biological & Chemical Warfare) school. Does it say differently in the essay? I didn't write that, I got it from Global Security Newswire last year.

398 posted on 08/19/2006 6:03:54 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: SoftballMominVA

Ditto here.


399 posted on 08/19/2006 6:27:56 PM PDT by piperpilot
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To: G32

I thought the Russians were supplying Iran with weapons and technology. If that's the case, and Iran is behind a future nuke attack on the US, then yes, we would indeed have reason to target Russia. Payback and retribution (and justice).

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I seriously doubt Russia would deserve to get hit though from us. Depends on how big the exchange gets. If it starts spiraling out of control...


400 posted on 08/19/2006 6:29:21 PM PDT by XenaLee
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