Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Fresno RJCCC Debate on the U.N. with Drs. Bruce Thornton & Victor Davis Hanson
Stuart Weil

Posted on 06/28/2005 10:47:46 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

The Republican Jewish Coalition of Central California is pleased to sponsor the

6th GREAT OXFORD/FRESNO DEBATE



Wednesday, June 29th, 2005 7pm


Bullard High School Theater
5445 N. Palm Avenue
Fresno, CA

The motion before the House:

THE UNITED NATIONS HAS OUTLIVED ITS USEFULNESS

Distinguished panelists include:

PRO:
Victor Davis Hanson, Ph.D., Senior Fellow, Hoover Institute
Bruce Thornton, Ph.D., Professor of Classics, CSU Fresno
Stuart Weil, Chairman, Republican Jewish Coalition of Central California

CON:
Jim Bartram, Speech Instructor, Fresno City College
Howard Hendrix, Ph.D., Lecturer, English Literature, CSU Fresno
Richard Stone, Administrative Director, Fresno Center for Nonviolence



ANALYST:
Kevin Ayotte, Ph.D., Assistant Professor of Communication, CSU Fresno



MODERATOR:
Vincent Lavery, Board of Directors, Fresno Center for Nonviolence



Please bring your cheers, jeers, applause and catcalls (within the bounds of decency, please) to support the RJCCC for this important and timely debate on the United Nations.

FREE ADMISSION!


TOPICS: Announcements; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: brucethornton; vdh; victordavishanson
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-86 next last

1 posted on 06/28/2005 10:47:53 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: JustAmy; mtngrl@vrwc; gracie1; Mama_Bear; jkphoto; notpoliticallycorewrecked; ladyinred; ...

Ping! Bruce Thornton & Victor Davis Hanson debate the liberals regarding the United Nations tomorrow night in Fresno!


2 posted on 06/28/2005 10:53:09 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Arthalion; ATcohiba; bagster; bannie; bgone; Clovis_Skeptic; Conlan; JesseJane; DB; Diamondhead; ...

Pinging you to what should prove to be an excellent evening.

Come out tomorrow to hear Bruce Thornton & Victor Davis Hanson.


3 posted on 06/28/2005 10:59:30 PM PDT by JustAmy (Remember our President and our troops in your prayers. God Bless America.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: patriciaruth; lager; Saundra Duffy; semaj; shellylet; FresnoArmyBrat; PERKY2004; at bay; ...

Pinging you to what should prove to be an excellent evening.

Come out tomorrow to hear Bruce Thornton & Victor Davis Hanson.


4 posted on 06/28/2005 11:01:22 PM PDT by JustAmy (Remember our President and our troops in your prayers. God Bless America.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: backtothestreets; Captain93728; LIZ.T; lora_one; Mat_Helm; Penner; skck1; stevef4546; ...

Pinging you to what should prove to be an excellent evening.

Come out tomorrow to hear Bruce Thornton & Victor Davis Hanson.


5 posted on 06/28/2005 11:02:46 PM PDT by JustAmy (Remember our President and our troops in your prayers. God Bless America.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson

The moderator is Vince Lavery? Oh yeah..that's gonna be fairly handled.../sarc


6 posted on 06/29/2005 1:54:49 AM PDT by Awestruck (Here we go again!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson

Interesting!


7 posted on 06/29/2005 2:38:43 AM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson; neverdem; Lando Lincoln; quidnunc; .cnI redruM; yonif; SJackson; dennisw; ...


    Victor Davis Hanson Ping ! 

       Let me know if you want in or out

8 posted on 06/29/2005 6:24:24 AM PDT by Tolik
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson

Oh man would I love to attend this! Someone please report from Fresno on this debate.


9 posted on 06/29/2005 6:25:42 AM PDT by Rummyfan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson

The question is stated so vaguely as to be meaningless. "Usefulness"- for whom? Where would Kofi Onan be if not for UN? For him it is useful. Ditto for all the diplomatic spies employed there and for tinpot dictators occasionally visiting the place to strike a pose, squeak a little, and do some shopping...


10 posted on 06/29/2005 6:46:00 AM PDT by GSlob
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GSlob

Ditto for all the diplomatic spies employed there and for tinpot dictators occasionally visiting the place to strike a pose, squeak a little, and do some shopping

Right on money. If they want to have a debating place and one convenient hub for diplomats to save on travel, let them do it in a quiet place like Iceland, for example. I don't see them agree to relocate into the middle of Africa or South America, but Iceland: well developed to be an effective host, but far from distractions of NYC type.

I think US would be well served even to pick a tab for relocating them there (or anywhere). Just to get rid of them, would be my pleasure.

11 posted on 06/29/2005 6:57:24 AM PDT by Tolik
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Tolik

Dump them in China. It could be presented as the recognition of its progress and importance. Besides it is the least we could send back in return for all the crap they are sending here (an eye for an eye, and crap for crap, too).


12 posted on 06/29/2005 7:08:50 AM PDT by GSlob
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson

Dang. I wish this weren't a continent away. Bump!


13 posted on 06/29/2005 7:42:13 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (This space intentionally blank) (NRA)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson

Will the event be transcribed and/or recorded?


14 posted on 06/29/2005 8:12:22 AM PDT by HKMk23 (A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel. -- Robert Frost)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson; JustAmy

I'm going to make a strong effort to be there.

Thanks for the heads-up!


15 posted on 06/29/2005 3:50:19 PM PDT by backtothestreets
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: backtothestreets; Jim Robinson; stuart weil

If anyone can make this debate, please post a report here.

Thanks.


16 posted on 06/29/2005 6:31:30 PM PDT by JustAmy (Remember our President and our troops in your prayers. God Bless America.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: JustAmy; HKMk23; backtothestreets; mtngrl@vrwc; gracie1; Mama_Bear; jkphoto; ...
We had a great time at the debate. Must've been about 200 to 250 people there with both sides represented about equally. I think our side edged out the other in the final vote.

Freepers present were me, Gracie1, backtothestreets, Elena and her two youngsters, John and Sara, and Stuart Weil who was on the conservative panel. Doug and Linda Halderman were there and of course many of our friends from the RJCCC.

Bruce Thornton, Victor Davis Hanson and Stuart Weil were all great panelists. All served up great arguments as to why we believe the UN is useless and cited long lists of examples backing up their arguments. Everything from wanton abuse to anti-Semitism, rampant corruption, high cost, millions of deaths under their not so watchful eyes, the fact that the UN is utterly useless when it comes to tyrants and totalitarian regimes, etc, etc, etc. Things we all know and hate about the United Nations.

The other side argued that millions of people now enjoy clean air and water due to the UN and they harped and harped on what a great job the UN does in combating disease in countries that can't help themselves.

They went on and on about human rights and how the right wingers (using John Birchers as an example) foment nationalism and hatred. They went on and on about how war doesn't solve anything and if we'd only learn to tolerate and love the other side, we'd have worldwide peace and tranquility. LOL

They criticized America for killing off the Native Americans and for slavery and for all the bad things that happened during our early history and then questioned, what if we had given up on America and declared the American experiment useless because of our early failures? They stated that the UN is not perfect and has had many failures, but just like America, we should not throw it out because of its imperfections.

Our side pointed out that our learning experiences were something we lived through and it didn't take a United Nations to teach us or save us. All of mankind grew and learned to throw off slavery and injustice. The things that made a difference were capitalism, democracy, elected representatives and senators and a judiciary and respect for the rule of law, etc. Totalitarianism, fascism, Nazism, communism, etc, don't and cannot work. Yet the UN gives voting and veto powers to totalitarian regimes. If the UN really wants to solve the world's problems, they would have to convert all these totalitarian countries to democracies, and then perhaps there would be a chance. But, of course, if they were all peaceful democratic free countries, then we would not need a UN. The UN needs tyrannical countries in order to exist. You just can't get there from here. The UN is useless.

At the beginning of the program the moderator asked for the audience to participate. He said we could clap and cheer when we hear something we like and boo and stomp our feet when they said something we didn't like. Well, we didn't need any more prompting than that. We all had a great time booing or cheering or heckling whenever need be. Some of us may have gotten a bit rowdier than others. Ahem, cough, cough.

We were also asked to ask questions. After sitting there listening to the liberal morons running down our country all night and calling our side "haters" (which they did frequently) I finally got an opening to ask why they hated America. Wow, did I ever get booed down by the lib side. Didn't get an answer either. Then at one point it got kinda quiet so I called out to the lib panel, "I have a question. Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?" More boos and no answer. Guess they didn't like my sincere questions.

Then, after the end of the debate, the "analyst" asked us all to keep an open mind while he stated his analysis of the debate. Of course, in his analysis, our side did not provide any evidence whatsoever that the UN was useless. Huh? I thought we were being railroaded and stated as much. Lots of people got up and walked out at this point.

Then there was a vote and I never heard the final tally, but I believe we edged them out. I saw many more hands raised on our side than on the lib side.


And finally, as the climaxing demonstration, the moderator gave each member of the panel a card and ask them each to write a number between zero and ten representing how much of our national sovereignty they are willing to give up for world peace. Our side of the audience immediately yelled out ZERO!! And each member of our panel wrote ZERO. The first lib indicated a fractional number something like .8061 (don't know if he was being cute or if it was meant to be percentage). I think the second lib wrote a three and the final lib panelist indicated five. These jackasses are willing to give up half of our sovereignty to the UN for peace! Hell no!! Shut it down!!

By the way, at one point Elena yelled out "Communist" to the lib panel to which one of them muttered half under his breath that he didn't think that was such a bad word.

Well, there you have it. There was a photographer present and it looked like he may have been a reporter as well, but I don't know. Don't know if the event was recorded or whether or not there will be a transcript available.

It was a real pleasure listening to our panelists rip into the libs. The libs were skinned and roasted, but they're so smug and arrogant that they don't even know it.

17 posted on 06/30/2005 1:37:26 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson

Excellent report, Jim. Sounds like you had fun. :)

Wish I could have been there.


18 posted on 06/30/2005 3:54:48 AM PDT by JustAmy (Remember our President and our troops in your prayers. God Bless America.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson
Thanks for the great synopsis. I wish I could have been there but personal errands kept me hopping. It does sound like the good guys won though. (And we know who they are)

What the other will side will never admit is that had the people of this country given up and gone home, back to Europe, there would not now, nor ever, be a U.N.

I think someone hit the nail on the head too about U.N. tolerance of thug regimes. There MUST be thug regimes, or the U.N. would cease to exist.

19 posted on 06/30/2005 5:08:26 AM PDT by Enterprise (Thus sayeth our rulers - "All your property is mine." - - - Kelo vs New London)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson
called out to the lib panel, "I have a question. Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?"

ROTFLMAO! GREAT question. Although asking leftists if they've ever been a member of the communist party is like asking Michael Moore if he eats food, or asking Jimmah Cahtuh if he's an appeaser--it goes without saying.

20 posted on 06/30/2005 6:55:26 AM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: tame
I wouldn't want to ever have to debate Hanson..The man is brilliant , extremely well read and articulate..
21 posted on 06/30/2005 7:01:55 AM PDT by hineybona
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson
btw, did anyone ask why the leftists always seem to want what terrorists want?

--Leftists want us out of Iraq, the terrorists want us out of Iraq.

--Leftists hate President Bush (but they think Clinton was okay), Saddam hates President Bush (but he thinks Clinton was okay).

--Leftists wanted Bush to lose to John Kerry, Osama Bin Laden wanted Bush to lose to John Kerry.

HELLOOOOOOOOO! Doesn't the average democrat on the street see a pattern here?!?

22 posted on 06/30/2005 7:02:23 AM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: tame

Good points bro...hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


23 posted on 06/30/2005 7:06:48 AM PDT by hineybona
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: hineybona
Good points bro...hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Awe, shucks ;o)

24 posted on 06/30/2005 7:21:40 AM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson; Enterprise; hineybona

I wish I would have been there. Was it taped? Will a tape be made available?


25 posted on 06/30/2005 7:24:08 AM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: stuart weil

Was the event recorded? Will tapes be made available?


26 posted on 06/30/2005 7:29:49 AM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: tame

Please ping me if you get a report of last night's doings. Wow!


27 posted on 06/30/2005 8:17:27 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy (I miss Terri - IMPEACH JUDGE GREER!!!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson
Good report Jim. Very good. I noticed a couple things that you touched on.

Our camp was entirely Pro-USA. The people in the opposing camp, were anti-USA, except for a scattering of people that are genuinely conflicted and trying to hold an alliance to the USA and the UN simultaneously. There is hope for those few yet. A lot of these people are struggling with the worldwide problems they know exist, and the inability of the UN to deal with them. Those that are anti-USA are a whole different story. They are quite willing to accept the failures of the UN to protect sovereign nations and protect lives. Their singular purpose was to bash the USA under the veiled premise the UN is useful.

It wasn't until I got home that the issue of failures, successes and usefulness of the UN, as compared the the early decades of the USA really got me thinking. Here's the meat and potatoes answer to this comparison. Barely 3 decades after our Constitution was ratified, our infant nation adopted what many historians consider the most enduring policy assuring the sovereignty of free nations. The Monroe Doctrine has no equal in the annuls of foreign policy successes.

We are presently in the sixth decade of the UN. The body has yet to assure the sovereignty of a single nation on its own. All endeavors it has participated in with any success have only been made possible because of the commitment of the USA.

I'm not going to debate the premise of the debate, "THE UNITED NATIONS HAS OUTLIVED ITS USEFULNESS", but instead hold fast to the conviction the USA should withdraw from the UN entirely. It would be then that everyone would learn the answer to the question of this debate. If we were to ever rejoin, let it be when this body meets our higher standard of national sovereignty as established by our nation, under the guidance of President Monroe, while we were in our infancy.

To those of the audience that abhor war, and want nothing but peace, they have my respect, but they are misguided. As unfortunate as it is, sometimes the only path to peace is by war. It is unfortunate, but it is the reality of mankind. These people need to understand that all rational people hate war, but fortunately some are willing to risk war to assure peace.

Thank you once again Jim for the report and the invitation to the debate. It was enlightening.
28 posted on 06/30/2005 11:46:58 AM PDT by backtothestreets
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson; All
Here is my view on the evening. I sat on the other side, predominately among the pro-UN side. From that vantage point I could hear most of the comments that were made, even the ones that were not yelled out. It was interesting to note that many people were making anti-US comments, mostly regarding slavery, the Indians, etc, but making them quietly. Occasionally someone would yell out something, but they were mostly shocked that there are people who place democratic ideals and our national sovereignty first. There was a couple next to me who seemed against the idea of spreading democracy across the world. The liberal panelist seemed to think it was a bad thing that we "imposed" democracy to Japan and Germany.

Because I was in the midst of "enemy territory", so to speak, I kept my reactions to minimum, but did applaud all the great points made by Dr Hanson and the rest of the panel. There was one man, however, who seemed to single me out for some reason. At the end of the debate when we held up our hands to vote, he kept pointing at me and saying "That blond, right there, that one, yeah, she swallowed the whole thing, she fell for all of their lines, that dumb blond fell for the whole thing!" and so forth. I debated for a moment to approach him and say something like "Do you know me? Those are quite chauvinistic statements to make of someone you don't know." But in the end I didn't feel it was wise, and didn't wish to dignify his his ignorance with a response.

All in all, I had a good time. It was a pleasure to see Dr's. Hanson and Thornton in person, as well as Stuart.
29 posted on 06/30/2005 12:53:32 PM PDT by gracie1 (Visualize whirled peas!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson
They criticized America for killing off the Native Americans and for slavery and for all the bad things that happened during our early history

Interesting since Hanson is a big fan of Gen. Sherman. Looks like they did some homework on their opponent.

Did Hanson respond?

30 posted on 06/30/2005 12:59:40 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: gracie1
There was one man, however, who seemed to single me out for some reason.

Were you only one that took a bath that day?

Thanks for the report.

31 posted on 06/30/2005 1:06:16 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: stainlessbanner
Were you only one that took a bath that day?

LOL!

All seriousness aside, I was surprised that most of the audience was middle age and older. There was a couple of young men, one of which had on a Che t-shirt, on the liberal side. His buddy asked extremely looooong winded questions. I guess his folks got their moneys worth from college!

32 posted on 06/30/2005 1:51:40 PM PDT by gracie1 (Visualize whirled peas!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: gracie1

The obligatory Che t-shirt, sign of a conformist. Maybe the man who asked long-winded questions dressed him.


33 posted on 06/30/2005 1:56:08 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: Tolik; neverdem; writer33

thanks for the ping!


34 posted on 06/30/2005 5:53:06 PM PDT by bitt ('We will all soon reap what the ignorant are now sowing.' Victor Davis Hanson)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Jim Robinson

The final vote was 85 Pro (i.e., that the U.N. HAS outlived its usefulness) to 62 Con (that we ought to continue to sing Kumbayah while the Sudanese are slaughtered).

Funny--Kevin Ayotte (the Analyst) proclaimed himself neutral, without any conflict of interest. Google him and see how many Peace Fresno and Center for Nonviolence links you get. Liar.

Drs. Hanson and Thornton and Mr. Weil had logic and reasoned arguments on their side. The other side had arrogance and emotion.


35 posted on 07/03/2005 2:11:07 PM PDT by Sabra 4 Bush (RJCCC member)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: stainlessbanner

It is humorous that you essentialize all who wear Che shirts as being conformist morons. Maybe if you took the time to actually enter a dialogue with that individual you would come to find that he has many core "American" values, has firmly began his investigations into many philosophical schools of thought, and truly finds Che to be a man that many could learn from.

Or you can go ahead and point a finger at a self-constructed moron with no possible point to offer to yourself.

I was that young man who had "long-winded" questions, and I am happy that you found them to be long and complete. I would rather be identified and/or criticized as that type of investigator within the resolution we were debating rather than one of the many who threw mindless jabs at the other side, both liberal and conservative, and spewed mindless metaphysical violence at the other.

The reason my questions were long was because I felt they should have a proper historical background and source relevance as well as qualifications before being considered. As a person who was recently ranked with my partner as the 5th best policy debate team in the nation from Clovis West High School, I have found that taking a step back to fully ask a relevant question usually helps us find better policy paths for future action than one that is blippy and short-sighted.


36 posted on 07/08/2005 10:14:14 PM PDT by rafiz101
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: rafiz101; admin

Che was a terrorist. You could've said you were a troll in a lot fewer words. Here's a tip Master Debater- get to the point. Here's another - get lost!


37 posted on 07/08/2005 10:29:16 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: REDWOOD99

Maybe you should go read some literature on threat construction, collateral discourse and identity politics. I won't go into it here because you need a proper background before discussing.

I'm not a troll, just thought this board should be open to counter points. Why don't you go off and learn how to actually raise questions and debate before you sit behind your laptop screen spewing bullshit.


38 posted on 07/08/2005 10:35:10 PM PDT by rafiz101
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: Sabra 4 Bush

Despite the atrocities being carried out in Sudan and the authoritarian nature of the Sudanese government, the Bush Administration continues to carry out diplomatic relations with Sudan. In addition to this, the CIA has forged a close relationship with the Sudanese government. It seems as though they are the ones "singing kumbayah as the Sudanese are slaughtered" and not the left


39 posted on 07/08/2005 10:43:30 PM PDT by Brandon_Hill
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: rafiz101

Maybe you should contribute something to this world beyond your pompous verbiage. In the immortal words of W.C. Fields, "Go away, kid. You bother me."


40 posted on 07/08/2005 10:44:24 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: REDWOOD99

Hey, I am open to any format of meaningful discussion on this board. There's a reason I became a debater, it's because I was interested in going and researching relevant resolutions and formatting arguments for both sides. Maybe if you could back off and stop repeating yourself we could get somewhere. I was trying to make a point regarding a earlier post, and your continued response is "go away."

I don't know what you have contributed to the world, and I really don't know what I have either. That's not very relevant to this discussion.

I'll throw this one in your court. What would you like to discuss?


41 posted on 07/08/2005 10:49:07 PM PDT by rafiz101
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: rafiz101

Come back in 20 years, by then you will be laughing at yourself.


42 posted on 07/08/2005 10:53:58 PM PDT by roses of sharon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: REDWOOD99

Accusing Che, a man of high ideals, of being a terrorist is laughable coming from someone that undoubtedly supports acts of state terror being carried out in our name in this so called war on terror. While Che was not a nonviolent activist, the violent acts he carried out pale in comparison to acts carried out by the U.S. and allies. In addition, it is arguable whether his violent acts can be constituted as terrorist at all.


43 posted on 07/08/2005 10:57:32 PM PDT by Brandon_Hill
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: roses of sharon

Laughing at myself? Maybe...laughing that I tried to actually genuinely tried to intellectually engage certain people on these types of board to have a free discussion about something meaningful.

Here, how about this one...while I'm wasting my life going to college, looking for questions that need to be asked, and trying to find others who may have the answer, you can sit here and tell every 18yearold boy to go screw themselves.


44 posted on 07/08/2005 10:57:35 PM PDT by rafiz101
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: roses of sharon

Laughing at myself? Maybe...laughing that I tried to actually genuinely intellectually engage certain people on these types of board to have a free discussion about something meaningful.

Here, how about this one...while I'm wasting my life going to college, looking for questions that need to be asked, and trying to find others who may have the answer, you can sit here and tell every 18yearold boy to go screw themselves.


45 posted on 07/08/2005 10:59:02 PM PDT by rafiz101
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: roses of sharon

Laughing at myself? Maybe...laughing that I tried to actually genuinely, intellectually engage certain people on these types of board to have a free discussion about something meaningful.

Here, how about this one...while I'm wasting my life going to college, looking for questions that need to be asked, and trying to find others who may have the answer, you can sit here and tell every 18yearold boy to go screw themselves.


46 posted on 07/08/2005 10:59:37 PM PDT by rafiz101
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: rafiz101

Btw, sorry for the triple post.


47 posted on 07/08/2005 11:00:06 PM PDT by rafiz101
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: Brandon_Hill; rafiz101; admin

Tag team trolls! What a novel idea! I guess since Che's acts of violence pale in comparison to those of the U.S. that explains why his communist paradise never achieved more than third-world status. You should elevate your level of hero.


48 posted on 07/08/2005 11:03:12 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: REDWOOD99

In an act of terror the CIA asassinated Che during the sixties. Btw, asassination of political figures is terrorism, you can refer to the U.S. Code for the definition of terrorism
Also, Cuba has the best healthcare system in Latin America(lowest infant mortality, longest life expectancy, lowest death rate, lowest HIV/AIDS rate, best doctor to patient ratios) as well as the highest literacy in Latin America.


49 posted on 07/08/2005 11:10:56 PM PDT by Brandon_Hill
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: Brandon_Hill

Let me drive you to the boat.


50 posted on 07/08/2005 11:12:07 PM PDT by REDWOOD99
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-86 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson