Posted on 07/23/2005 6:26:34 AM PDT by disclaimer
Oh, please.
"I had no idea. I think if that slipped through and people realized that their supplements were not freely available there might be riots in the streets. There are still a few things in America that will light a fire under peoples butts."
Sorry to disagree but the american sheeple didn't even riot when the socialist supreme court ruled on the abolition of private property. You think if the sheeple wont get in a tizzy over their most valuable and fundamental right to property, that they will riot over vitamins?
In regards to CAFTA #2 said; "who cares"Ergo, one can only surmise that you were buying the line of this press release that CAFTA will cut off and/or somehow effect your ability to obtain your life sustaining "supplements".
You responded; "For some of us, supplements are what's keeping us alive."
So I was only trying to BE NICE and point out with some FACTS that CAFTA will not affect you or your pills. Sheesh, I even did the research for you.
BTW, you shouldn't be so snippy so early in the morning. Did you forget to take a pill?
I was addressing one question. You assume too much. (And we all know about ASS-U-ME ing, don't we?)
In many cases, that can't or shouldn't be done without a doctor's help. That assumes everyone has access to one, which isn't true.
And I never advocated outlawing anything, did I? I hate it when people do that.
All of this also assumes perfectly educated people, and that everyone is in total control of their faculties. Even if we miraculously get the former (dream on), we never will have the latter, which is why financial scams against the elderly can work so well. I'm sure you wouldn't advocate total dereg of the insurance industry or of complex financial products.
As to FDA, Walter Williams suggested that in the absence of FDA, a drug-biz equivalent of Underwriters Labs would be created and that would serve as a better screen than the totally risk-averse FDA. This would serve as a great due-diligence starting point for consumers and docs, when available. And I'd be willing to entertain the notion that someone can try to peddle their supplements with the drug-UL equivalent label, so that it people wanted to do the experimental stuff, they could.
I'd be willing to take a chance on gutting the FDA and trying the private-screening idea out. Is that free-market enough for you?
I have broadband :-)
I only have dial-up at this location. BTW, how do you select text from a .pdf file? I used to be able to do it easily . . . .
Oops, meant to say WITHOUT the drug-UL label.
Hello, if you are a fan of vitamins/herbs/supplements, then check out www.beyond-a-century.com. They sell bulk supplements at incredible prices, ie 300 grams of calcium ascorbate ("ester-c") for like $7. You can buy caps and do it yourself, or just mix various powders with crystal light and chug it lol.
There is another highly recommended site that doesnt sell bulk powders, but has cheap prices on capped products, www.iherb.com
I am *NOT* affiliated with either site, just have bought from both for years and have nothing but good things to say about them.
Does St. John's wort work as a treatment for depression?
In Europe, results from a number of scientific studies have supported the effectiveness of certain St. John's wort extracts for depression. An overview of 23 clinical studies found that the herb might be useful in cases of mild to moderate depression.
The studies, which included 1,757 outpatients, reported that St. John's wort was more effective than a placebo (here, a "dummy" pill designed to have no effect) and appeared to produce fewer side effects than some standard antidepressants (Linde et al. British Medical Journal, 1996).
Other studies conducted recently have found no benefit from the use of St. John's wort for certain types of depression. For example, the results of a study funded by Pfizer Inc., a pharmaceutical company, found that St. John's wort, when compared with placebo, was not effective for treating major depression (Shelton et al. JAMA, 2001).
Gee, mega phemaceutical corporation Pfizer, makers of Zoloft, found St. John's Wort to be ineffective?
Now there's a shocker!
Side effects of ZOLOFT:
acute renal failure
anaphylactoid reaction (Hypersensitivity to a foreign substance)
angioedema (Excessive accumulation of fluid in the tissues)
blindness optic neuritis (Inflammation, pain or loss of motion in the eye)
increased blood coagulation times
bradycardia (Slowness of the heart rate, usually fewer than 60 beats per minute in an adult human)
arrhythmias (An irregularity in the force or rhythm of the heartbeat)
Tachycardia (A rapid heart rate, especially one above 100 beats per minute in an adult)
Hypothyroidism (Insufficient production of thyroid hormones)
Agranulocytosis (An acute disease marked by high fever and a sharp drop in circulating granular white blood cells)
The above list of Zoloft side effects from Postmarketing Evaluation is actually much longer than listed here.
So let the FDA provide advice and guidance to the people, but let the people ultimately decide what they think is best for them - after all, in most instances of health, they most certainly do (eating, drinking, smoking, lifestyles, etc). Why should we let a bunch of self-interested bureaucrats and behind the scenes special-interests dictate what we the people do for our heath in terms of food supplements? Let the buyer beware!
Puhlezze, stop posting bbc propaganda. Do you know how many false studies that the media trumpets on other vitamins such as vitamin e and vitamin c? some of these studies use very small doseages, which almost guarantee the outcome will be negative.
the good thing about herbs is that when they observe a said effect ie w/ SJW WRT it's effects on depression, is that they can isolate the particular molecule within SJW that exerts this effect. in this case SJW's effect on depression is from hypericin.
this article is very broad but it leads me to believe that the trial was done with SJW, NOT hypericin.
Yeah I know what you mean.
A few years back I got burned by "following the moonbat line" on a thread about some alleged pending legislation and fired off letters to my Rep and then Senator Peter Fitzgerlad - no more.
The moonbat line was 100% wrong and I wound up looking like a jerk. I subsequently called their offices to apologize for my STOO-PID letter based on the bogus information. So now I read the dang thing first. I'll search THOMAS and/or any pertinent gubmint website first.
Thanks for the tip.
Interesting. Thanks for the links.
You can buy caps and do it yourself
I do this now with ginseng.
Can you imagine how your typical Rep. must feel when his or her office gets a phone call about vitamin supplements? I'm chuckling simply thinking about it . . . .
Applying a bit of triangulation here, eh.
You're just so much above the rest of us aren't you now. You don't offer anything about the topic, you only have your feelings and ill fitted ego to shower upon us.
Read posting #36 by bjs1779.
I know, you read the official statement by the government. Nothing to see here.
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