Skip to comments.Over There - New show on FX and my rant on those who reviewed the show prior to airing
Posted on 07/28/2005 12:23:29 PM PDT by Former Military Chick
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I found that odd, it is most difficult to discuss, complain about something if you have not watched it.
I certainly am not advocating watching the show but should you decide to do so, you might be surprised.
Another friend sent me the following:
OK, here is my take,
1) Started a bit antiwar mode, moved to smooth that out.
2) Pushed a racial divide a bit. But, having been in similar situations, I can buy that part.
3) The chat, though rough in content, was I remembered in war but using today's lingo.
4) Pushed the hardliner Sgt. too much and the do whatever it takes officer image just a bit over the edge. But, I served with both types in Nam.
5) War footage was graphic, cheating wifes back home common, the pain of leaving family at home realistic, the pain of watching your brothers get blown up or away realistic enough.
My Bottom Line on the whole is:
WAR IS HELL and by God we should be everything we can do for troops over there.
So with that in mind I look forward to my fellow Freeper's observations on this show.
Thanks for the contrarian view, I have not watched the show yet, but I have it programmed to record in my TiVo, and will find time to watch it, especially now having read your review.
Someone is showing their youth.
Rat Patrol, Combat will take you back a few more years.
I'm sure that folks with more experience that I can go back a decade or so before that.
If it is anything like Band of Brothers, I will love it.
Thanks for your input.
I am a Marine Desert Storm and Somalia vet.
I did not like the dope smoking scene in the beginning, it seemed to me like they were portraying the 60's stereotypes of the military. Societies rejects, (College and high school dropouts, dope smokers, hotheads etc.)
Hollywood has no idea about what it is really like "Over*There"
I am watching with an open mind and to know what the average sheeple might "learn" from this show. I will re-evaluate each week.
I thought it was joke... had to turn it off after about 10 minutes.
came back to it later - had the same opinion - I gave it a chance - but won't waste my time again.
course that's just me.
We have family visiting and I doubt we'll get to watch tonight, but the review I read on FR by some soldiers was NOT good.
That wasn't an RPG, it was a 40mm grenade fired from an M203 grenade launcher. And it was a great shot. :)
I'll watch future episodes and put my 2 cents in down the road.
I just watched it on my DVR this morning. It is NOTHING like "Band of Brothers." Nothing would've made me happier had that been the case, but instead it was a Vietnam cartoon thrown into the present day. It's obvious these guys didn't even try to get it right.
I thought it was a 40mm, shot from a MK-19 mounted on a HUMMER.
I thought the show to be balanced, the men were new to the theater and this explains a lot of their errors. The women should not have been there, and clearly the men would have moved them out if it were at all possible.
The beer run which ran into a IED is probably true as far as it goes. But one could hope that essentials (like beer) were handled by logistics and did not need a special "run".
Clearly showed the duplicity on the part of the enemy, made some political statements like "generals calling the shots based on how it will look", and questions over orders like "hold you fire" when the men were fired upon. Close up aspect of kill or be killed was probably correct for new recruits.
No, the Humvee had a .50-cal mounted on it, and the Soldier who had just dismounted put a 40mm into the haji-in-question. The walking legs thing was pretty cool, too.
Whatever it was supposed to be it was a heck of a shot. Don't know how realistic the walking legs were, but for entertainment purposes, it was pretty good.
I look forward to your thoughts, I have also DVRed it for my beloved and as I said will share his thoughts after his return.
The remarks in blue come from a Vietnam Vet, who decided to watch the program after reading the various "previews" prior to airing and I found his thoughts refreshing. Especially his final statement WAR IS HELL and by God we should be everything we can do for troops over there.
I agree with you completely. ;)
I read the posts prior to airing and thought to myself there sure are many alpha dogs out today giving advice. LOL!
Let everyone think for themselves if "Over There" deserves an audience. I think it does.
I always thought JAG was a half way decent show...even with all the technical mistakes. I believe it was on the right side.
That said, on another thread, I said I would like to see a critique of the show by Iraq war veterans. I had one response, but I couldn't tell if it was from a combat vet.
OK, I know this is tacky..but after I almost tossed my cookies over that scene, I wondered if it were possible for the legs to keep going. Somebody please tell me that was Hollywood!
"So with that in mind I look forward to my fellow Freeper's observations on this show"
I admire your fair-mindedness. This kind of show is not my cup of tea and I won't watch it because I don't watch TV in general. However, I also noted with interest that thre was a lot of hostility to the show even though it hadn't aired. I think a lot of that was not so much because of the show content, which was an unknown, but because of the show's producer, which IS known.
Those remarks came from a friend, a Vietnam Vet. Those are his recollections. Perhaps I can get a clarification from him or ask that he respond to that observation.
I would have to say from my point of view as a former head of the Family Support Group (has been renamed many times) that the younger gals, those without kids perhaps fell to temptation. The other pitfall, the finances. The troops bring in a bit more money, sep pay, hazardous duty pay and it goes into the accounts. Many needed a great deal of assistance of using a checking account. It always amazed me of how many young couples to the military had the military member taking care of everything. In the end, it is the rear detachment and folks like myself that had to step in and help. I could share some frightening stories but they are not the norm but tragic nevertheless.
Thank you for your comments.
Thank you for your service and thank you for your comment.
Seems like every military show has a bit of pot use. Frankly it is not as common now just because of the consequences and I am not sure how available it is in Iraq. Had not thought much about that and will ask beloved if he knows when he calls.
I appreciate your open mind. It also makes such difference to openly discuss this program and if there is something that should be addressed we can certainly make a grass roots effort to get our point across.
There are many that will watch this show, think it all truth and frankly there are artistic liberties taken in almost every program. But we can keep them on the right path should we choose to want to take on that task.
I have always enjoyed your comments and this is no different, thank you.
I appreciate that you will keep an open mind, and I hope will return with your thoughts on the show after you view it.
I am with you, Band of Brothers is an excellent series. I actually bought the whole series for beloved along with a DVD player because I knew he would love it. Now I have picked up personal DVD player and he will take this along on his next trip and share with the troops while there. He could use his military laptop but frankly it should not be used for anything other than military stuff so the personal player seemed a small cost to bring enjoyment to my beloved and his fellow troops.
Peach, I know you to be a woman of character and if given the opportunity with time avaiable you might watch it and I know will do so with an open mind. You are one fair chick.
Thanks for the comment and of course enjoy your visiting family, friend.
As I read your comments, and they are indeed excellent remarks it gave me pause.
I am not sure, if given the chance I would try and produce a show such as this. I say that because, WAR IS HELL. There are SOP (standard operating procedures) but sometimes SNAFUS (will not translate that one) and it would be hard to really convey that in a drama series.
Having said that, I agree I thought it to be balanced. Of course I wonder, how will next weeks offering be? While I am a tough critic will the audience return for the story or the character's or both.
I have to say about the beer, I do not recall Dave having beer while he was there, did not ask him. But, boy did he look svelte after he returned not having the enjoyable beer as he watches his beloved Orioles.
The only consideration should be whether it's positive or negative toward President Bush's effort in Iraq. If it's positive, it should be applauded. If not, it should be condemned.
I will provide you with one once my beloved returns from his current TDY.
As for JAG, I concur with your thoughts. It was a long running show, frankly one of the longest running shows depicting the military. When the show was getting it's footing Ollie North through his expertise to the show behind the scenes and sometimes in front of the camera.
Might be interesting to read his comments if he watched the program.
Such a classy comment, thank you. I agree, I think many of ill will towards Bochco, my beloved being one of them. But, he too, was willing to watch and offer his thoughts of course it will be a few weeks he is away with his Army job.
The content is rough. FX frankly has really gone to the edge of graphic in all their shows. The Shield is not my cop of tea. I enjoy Leary and have high regard for firefighters but Rescue Me is equally a tough watch. So, I had no doubt the one thing this show would do, show the graphic side of war, to the edge.
dope-smoking trooper (dumb),
Sgt. constantly berating his squad for no reason (dumb),
single infantry squad left alone with no armor/APC support against a building full of Islamos (dumb),
officer ordering troopers to advance 25m for no apparent reason (other than it being an order) even if it exposes them (dumb),
weak female trooper too tired to dig her own fox hole despite being exposed near the "mosque" where Islamos were shooting at them earlier (dumb),
female and male trooper start loudly arguing about digging a foxhole thereby exposing their position to the nearby Islamos (dumb).
Would appreciate hearing from, and believe we would all defer to, any 3rd Infantry Iraq vets, but my Hollyweird BS needle was in the red.
At least there were no singing nurses or smart-a** surgeons.
As to the rest of the show. Not bad. Worth watching so far.
What I didn't like was the guy who called himself and his fellow soldiers monsters, to me that was a little over the top, but it would have been acceptable if he would have figured out before the end of the show that the only monsters around are the terrorists.
I watched it. This show has one purpose. Its to lower the morale of the American people. Especially the American soldier.
I managed to catch the ending of Wednesday's episode. It looked like the "Vietnam in the Desert" mentality to me.
The beer may just be a symbol for something they want but can't get. (I realize that alcohol is taboo in Islamic countries but I thought I read that our troops create a warmer image within the confines of our bases. So,yes, I don't know about beer. But the risk and exposure of our convoys is well known.
I agree with you about the difficulty of producing a war series, (and producers could bias it both ways). I will watch some more episodes, but I will not watch any show that demeans our guys over there or our political motivation over here. Shows like the "highly fictional" JAG were good because they dramatized events that we were reading about. If this show wants to take on that task, knowing that their audience have friends, relatives, and countrymen over there, they had better bend over backwards to be fair. If they also want to show the risks, environment, and political conditions that lead to the decisions that are being made, maybe this will turn up the heat on our leaders to wage this war in the only way wars should be waged... to win and win with the least injury to our side as possible.
I have a serious question for you.
I try to make it a point to thank Vietnam vets when I can. I've had 2 or 3 recent incidents, including one yesterday.
I was on a service call and the guy I met with mentioned that he was a vet. I thanked him and shook his hand. He lost his composure for a short while with the thousand yard stare. I've seen this happen before.
Does offering thanks to guys like yourself bring up too many bad memories or is it worth it for you guys?
The only consideration should be whether it is a good show with well-written characters.
My first impression watching it last night is that this show has a lot of potential.
Have you seen `Baghdad Palace'? Same-same.
I watched it....I don't know if I'll continue to watch...I had a few problems with it, but it might just be my nit picking.... all of the nicknames drove me crazy, very unreal... ROE was wrong, the gratuitous don't call me sir, I work for a living..the Abu Garib reference. etc...small things really but they got on my nerves...they no doubt wouldn't bother anyone who is not in the military...Hubby is now a Ft Campbell training, before he left I asked him if I should tape it for him and he said, no, why would I watch, I lived it....