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WSJ: Hiroshima - Nuclear weapons, then and now.
opinionjournal.com ^ | August 5, 2005 | Editorial

Posted on 08/05/2005 5:08:42 AM PDT by OESY

Today--or August 6 in Japan--is the 60th anniversary of the dropping of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima, which killed outright an estimated 80,000 Japanese and hastened World War II to its conclusion on August 15. Those of us who belong to the postwar generations tend to regard the occasion as a somber, even shameful, one. But that's not how the generation of Americans who actually fought the war saw it. And if we're going to reflect seriously about the bomb, we ought first to think about it as they did.

...No surprise, then, that when news of the bomb reached Lt. Fussell and his men, they had no misgivings about its use: "...We were going to live."...

What about Japanese lives?... Since the ratio of Japanese to American combat fatalities ran about four to one, a mainland invasion could have resulted in millions of Japanese deaths--and that's not counting civilians....

Also true is that the threat nuclear weapons pose today is probably greater than ever before. That's not because they're more plentiful--thanks to the 2002 Moscow Treaty (negotiated by John Bolton), U.S. and Russian arsenals are being cut to levels not seen in 40 years. It's because nuclear know-how and technology have fallen into the hands of men such as A.Q. Khan and Kim Jong Il, and they, in turn, are but one degree of separation away from the jihadists who may someday detonate a bomb in Times or Trafalgar Square....

Looking back after 60 years, who cannot be grateful that it was Truman who had the bomb, and not Hitler or Tojo or Stalin? And looking forward, who can seriously doubt the need for might always to remain in the hands of right? That is the enduring lesson of Hiroshima, and it is one we ignore at our peril.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; Russia; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: abomb; hiroshima; iran; nagasaki; northkorea; nuclear; weapon; wmd; wsj
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1 posted on 08/05/2005 5:08:43 AM PDT by OESY
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To: OESY

no point arguing with good logic.


2 posted on 08/05/2005 5:14:27 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (In Honor of Terri Schiavo. *check my FReeppage for the link* Let it load and have the sound on.)
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To: OESY

My dad fought in the Phillipines. His next orders were to invade Japan. He would've been cannon fodder!


3 posted on 08/05/2005 5:17:07 AM PDT by Luigi Vasellini (60% of Saudis, 58%of Iraqis, 55%of Kuwaitis,50% of Jordanians married 1st or 2nd cousins. LOL!!!)
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To: the invisib1e hand

It would take roughly 5 seconds to find someone at DU to argue that Hitler, Stalin, or Tojo should have had the bomb first.

Such is the depth of America-hating in this world.


4 posted on 08/05/2005 5:18:41 AM PDT by Gefreiter ("Are you drinking 1% because you think you're fat?")
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To: OESY
Since the ratio of Japanese to American combat fatalities ran about four to one, a mainland invasion could have resulted in millions of Japanese deaths--and that's not counting civilians

He makes it sound like we should have invaded.

5 posted on 08/05/2005 5:18:49 AM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Luigi Vasellini

I cringe to think liberals would rather have our own soldiers die than us dropping the bomb on the Japanese. Its war. Kill or be killed.


6 posted on 08/05/2005 5:20:22 AM PDT by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton, Jr.)
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To: OESY; All

>>What about Japanese lives?... Since the ratio of Japanese to American combat fatalities ran about four to one, a mainland invasion could have resulted in millions of Japanese deaths--and that's not counting civilians....

Don't believe the numbers. Remember, people are claiming 100,000 Iraqi civilians are dead.

Don't believe the conservatives who have a "humanistic manifesto" about the bomb.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were crimes against humanity......


7 posted on 08/05/2005 5:21:27 AM PDT by 1stFreedom (1)
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To: OESY

And we should have used one in Korean War & the Viet Nam War and one more Muslim 9/11 type terrorist attack in America and we should use one on Mecca.


Semper Fi,
Kelly


8 posted on 08/05/2005 5:21:57 AM PDT by kellynla (U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
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To: 1stFreedom
"Hiroshima and Nagasaki were crimes against humanity......"

You sit fat, dumb and safe in your comfortable little seat, separated by 60 years from the worst war in history, and make such a sactimonious and mindless pronouncement!

How does it feel to join the ranks of those referred to by Lenin as "Useful Idiots"?

9 posted on 08/05/2005 5:26:37 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (BOHICA!)
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To: kellynla

My grandfather was a Forward Air Controller in the 7th Marine division. They were on ships, at sea, en route to the invasion of Japan. Estimates were 1 million allied casualties to conquer the home islands. Thank God for the bomb.


10 posted on 08/05/2005 5:27:31 AM PDT by neodad (I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast, for I intend to go in harm's way)
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To: Gefreiter
Minor point ... Russia (Stalin) was on the Allied side at the time.
11 posted on 08/05/2005 5:29:23 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: 1stFreedom

There were over 100,000 Japanese civilian casualties in fire bombing raids of Tokyo. Conventional weapons wreaked far more casualties than those two bombs.


12 posted on 08/05/2005 5:29:36 AM PDT by neodad (I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast, for I intend to go in harm's way)
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To: OESY
"Those of us who belong to the postwar generations tend to regard the occasion as a somber, even shameful, one."

Somber? Yes. Also sad and terrifying and one of the most horrifying events in history. Also necessary.

We pray that such an event will never be repeated.

But anyone who regards the occasion as shameful is both ignorant and stupid. This includes the author of this "editorial".

Ignorance can be corrected through careful and honest study, but there's no cure for stupidity.

13 posted on 08/05/2005 5:31:57 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Love is the ultimate aphrodisiac!)
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To: Age of Reason

In the early '90s there was a story that was told by a Japanese Grandmother who was a young teenager in the Summer of 1945. She was training with a bamboo spear and was told that whe would be part of the first wave to charge down the beach to meet the invading Americans. She was told that the Kamikazee tactic would work. The invasion would be repelled because the sight of girls attacking would cause the Americans soldiers to pause. In that moment of hesitation the Emporer would have his way. I read Truman's autobiography and he was not ashamed with his decision.


14 posted on 08/05/2005 5:32:00 AM PDT by Young Werther
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To: OESY

read later


15 posted on 08/05/2005 5:33:28 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: Gefreiter
It would take roughly 5 seconds to find someone at DU to argue that Hitler, Stalin, or Tojo should have had the bomb first. Such is the depth of America-hating in this world.

I have concluded, and I'm not being sarcastic, that there is now a political party for dreamers, anarchists, the perpetually irresponsible, lunatics, and those who insist on living in denial. There is a political party for misfits and malcontents and deconstructionists and life haters and death lovers. They have taken over the Democratic Party. They have a new front man in Howard Dean, who rouses, gives voice to, and capitalizes for his own presumably grandiose ego satisfaction, thier refusal to accept reality; their insistance on fomenting unreality.

These are not insults. This group needs to be seen for what it is -- irrational. They need to be contained.

16 posted on 08/05/2005 5:34:24 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (In Honor of Terri Schiavo. *check my FReeppage for the link* Let it load and have the sound on.)
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To: jamaksin

Not so minor, in the sense of commies having a nuclear capability before we did.

Imagine the total lack of handwringing, reflection, or regret from an Atomic Stalin using his weapons.


17 posted on 08/05/2005 5:34:42 AM PDT by Gefreiter ("Are you drinking 1% because you think you're fat?")
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To: OESY
another thing I have observed: when I went to the Statue of Liberty last year, the overwhelming majority of tourists were Japanese.

think about it.

18 posted on 08/05/2005 5:35:32 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (In Honor of Terri Schiavo. *check my FReeppage for the link* Let it load and have the sound on.)
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To: 1stFreedom
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were crimes against humanity......

Had there been a viable alternative, I might agree with you. There was not, so I don't.

19 posted on 08/05/2005 5:37:08 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
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To: 1stFreedom
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were crimes against humanity......

I disagree. Torturing and beheading people, starting wars to enslave other countries, and fanaticism to the point where people would rather jump off a cliff than accept that they are human beings with faults like everyone else is not humanity. Hence, the bombs are the opposite of what you are saying. I just don't understand how you can be precisely 180 degrees away from reality. Must take a lot of effort.

20 posted on 08/05/2005 5:38:00 AM PDT by gr8eman (Idiots are idiots because they are too stupid to know that they are idiots.)
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