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How Intelligent Design Hurts Conservatives (By making us look like crackpots)
The New Republic ^ | 8/16/05 | Ross Douthat

Posted on 08/18/2005 5:17:34 PM PDT by curiosity

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To: Dimensio
How do you know?

All available information suggests that consciousness is a result of brain function.

Thats BS! Information rejected is not non existent information.
You dodged the question, the honest answer is you don't know.
No one ever uses this argument. It is a complete and total strawman.
Define this, Be specific. Give citations.
Provide evidence. Got a citation for this?
Support this claim with evidence.
All premises in science are materialistic. Science can't make meaningful statements about anything else.
Perhaps you could make a real fool out of me by stating something in science that is proven.
Are you just going to blow me off again for daring to suggest that your assertions be supported?
441 posted on 08/18/2005 10:55:23 PM PDT by mordo
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To: GSHastings

If this, if that, but don't equate disagreement or even distaste with hate. That simply is a lazy and simplistic way of viewing the matter. It appears to me to be parroting mindlessly some passage of the Bible inappropriately, and inappositely.


442 posted on 08/18/2005 10:58:11 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
The "hate" word is quite misplaced as you use it, quite.

You are right, and I apologize.

I got carried away, and inserted those comments at an inappropriate point in the thread. (I've done that more than once tonight).

That being said, I'm not off base in asserting that Christians are quite commonly hated. Most of the "separation of Church and State" nonsense in this country, is really an expression of hatred towards Christianity.

As has been mentioned elsewhere in the thread, liberals and athiests have a lot of tolerance for every other religious belief.

443 posted on 08/18/2005 10:59:28 PM PDT by GSHastings
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To: GSHastings

Atheists come in many hues. I quite favor a robust Christianity in the American public square. Take that and smoke it.


444 posted on 08/18/2005 11:01:08 PM PDT by Torie
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To: mordo; Dimensio

At pubemd there are 19,222 references to consciousness.

Some are marginal to the subject of location, but most aren't

here's the link:
Entrez PubMed
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?CMD=search&DB=PubMed

I don't think many reference the left little toe as the seat of consciousness.


445 posted on 08/18/2005 11:03:57 PM PDT by From many - one.
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To: Torie
agree. Read my posts on this thread. We seem to have misunderstood one another.

That will learn me for jumping into the middle of a conversation

446 posted on 08/18/2005 11:06:38 PM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Brick by brick, stone by stone, the Revolution grows)
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To: Dimensio
Using Scripture to prove Scripture is circular reasoning.

If that is true and it its not, then you should GLOMM ON TO IT!!

Cause Dimi baby.., CIRCULAR IS WHAT YOU'RE ABOUT.
447 posted on 08/18/2005 11:06:41 PM PDT by mordo
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To: curiosity

With over 400 posts, there must be something worth reading here. Bump for later.


448 posted on 08/18/2005 11:07:55 PM PDT by Kevin OMalley (No, not Freeper#95235, Freeper #1165: Charter member, What Was My Login Club.)
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To: apackof2

Is that a problem for you? Or does everyone have to share your ideas about this?


449 posted on 08/18/2005 11:09:27 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: From many - one.
pubemd=pubmed

caffeine infusion stat
450 posted on 08/18/2005 11:12:43 PM PDT by From many - one.
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To: Torie
Atheists come in many hues.

Yes. There are many paths that take you to that destination.

I quite favor a robust Christianity in the American public square.

Why?

Take that and smoke it.

Gave up smoking 30 years ago. Gave up smoking for eternity about the same time :-)

451 posted on 08/18/2005 11:13:06 PM PDT by GSHastings
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To: DaveTesla

Very wonderful quotes. But the world has changed in the past two hundred plus years. This is no longer a homogeneous society and no longer 95% Christian. I really don't know the percentages but the demographics of this country have changed and will continue to change. This ID is creationism and changing the name willl not change what this movement is promulgating. And that is a religious view of science. The two are best left separate in my opinion. One is faith, the other is objective evidence. And the only evidence for ID is faith. And faith has no place in schools or science.


452 posted on 08/18/2005 11:13:08 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: From many - one.
If ID there is no reason that what is true for organism A should predict anything at all about organism B because at any point the intelligent designer may have changed the rules.

Must the IDer have changed the rules?

453 posted on 08/18/2005 11:14:51 PM PDT by syriacus (Cindy doesn't want our soldiers to shoot insurgent bombers who are murdering small Iraqi children.)
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To: syriacus

Precisely...lack of predictability.


454 posted on 08/18/2005 11:15:39 PM PDT by From many - one.
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To: curiosity
"The conservative embrace of intelligent design, however, reshapes the ideological battlefield. It helps liberals cast the debate as an argument about science, rather than morality, and paint their enemies as a collection of book-burning, Galileo-silencing fanatics."

So what.

Anyone who has read the Bible knows that it clearly says "The wisdom of God is folksiness to them that are perishing." They aren't ever going to respect what they are unable to understand.

We should honor their "wisdom" over God's, so we don't look foolish to the lost and dying? What do we give up next, so as not to offend fools?

I'll pass on that deal, thanks.

455 posted on 08/18/2005 11:15:51 PM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: DaveTesla

Who said "shame". I have no shame about your views or those whom you call "us". I thought I was "us". But since you seem to want a division here, my opinion had to do with the anti scientific views, the theocratic vision of our schools, the imposition of anyone's "faith" on others. That is just plain wrong in my view.


456 posted on 08/18/2005 11:15:54 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: curiosity

Oh MY! Not this again...and again...and again...


457 posted on 08/18/2005 11:17:37 PM PDT by BJungNan
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To: GSHastings

Because, traducing the useful in order to try to launch on a quest to achieve the Quixotic impossible dream of the perfect is a fool's errand. Good night.


458 posted on 08/18/2005 11:20:49 PM PDT by Torie
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To: From many - one.
How many people know the extent of moonie funding of the Discovery Institute? How many papers have they published involving genuine research?

Ok, then prove ID theory wrong using the scientifc method.

Questioning the motivation of the source does not validate or invalidate the issue scientifically. This is my point about dogma. Your dogma, apparently based on dislike for the Moonies, is ID cannot possibly be fact because the Moonnies are the ones studying it. Using the Scientific method, your point cannot be proven or disproven. Your logic seems to be, If the Moonies then it is a lie. That is opinion, not science. I am willing to say about ID "I'll listen but show me the proof" rather then insist "Science" proves my personal opinions "true".

459 posted on 08/18/2005 11:20:57 PM PDT by MNJohnnie ( Brick by brick, stone by stone, the Revolution grows)
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To: Clemenza
No issue makes us look like a bunch of uneducated moonbats than the NUTS who push junk science known as "intelligent design" based on a fairy tale.

Whatever you say, Moonbat.

460 posted on 08/18/2005 11:24:15 PM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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